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telepathy test
    #4213947 - 05/24/05 11:40 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

you know that "fameous" test when you stare at someone and then tell him to turn and look at you?
How many times did you try it, and how successfull was it?

I know it really proves nothing, and it could be just a fun coincidence, but let's just talk about it for fun..

I'm posting because I just did that a couple minutes ago when I was going home. There was some girl walkin about 100 meters in front of me. And I was looking at her and kept telling her to turn and look at me, and she just turned, looked at me and turned back. The whole "calling" process lasted about 30 seconds.

It's fun doing that.

A couple of days, I was in the other position. Of course, I don't know if anyone "called" me, but there I was walking on the parking lot in front of a supermarket, and suddenly for no reason I turned and looked at a specific car, and I saw a woman looking at me. The car was somewhere 4 o clock from where I was going and looking.
The parking lot was full of cars, and I had to turn and look at the one that was out of my line of site.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4216175 - 05/24/05 08:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

SWEEEET, I will have to try this....! 

What ever "famous"  tests are out there, I ain't never heard of them.... 
What are some of the other ones....?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4216296 - 05/24/05 09:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Try colors..
You sit across the room from someone, and they write down a color they are thinking of. Then they think of nothing but that color, say the name in their mind, and project the color on their forehead. The person sitting across clears their mind in an open and receptive state, concentrate on receiving that thought.. and they say the first instinct color that pops in their mind. Then the sender shows you the page and you check if you were right. Do it about ten or twenty times, then switch roles. Some people are better at receiving, some better at sending. But you get better with practice.. and it works best in my experience with someone you are close with. I did this with my good friend at we had an 8 out of 10 success rate.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Shroomism]
    #4216420 - 05/24/05 09:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

and it works best in my experience with someone you are close with. I did this with my good friend at we had an 8 out of 10 success rate.

If you're close to him you're probably more likely to think alike. That would equal a higher chance of having a correct answer.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4216434 - 05/24/05 09:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It is odd, I often have looked back and seen people looking at me, or looked at someone and then they suddenly would look back directly at me. It's like humans can subconsciously sense when people are staring at the backs of their neck.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Ravus]
    #4216455 - 05/24/05 09:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It's like humans can subconsciously sense when people are staring at the backs of their neck.

Wouldnt that be a form of telepathy?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4216483 - 05/24/05 09:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm posting because I just did that a couple minutes ago when I was going home. There was some girl walkin about 100 meters in front of me. And I was looking at her and kept telling her to turn and look at me, and she just turned, looked at me and turned back. The whole "calling" process lasted about 30 seconds.

More likely than telepathy is that some sub-process in her brain recognized a face in the far periphery of her vision and naturally she turned to examine it more closely.

Try it again with someone facing completely away from you (and who is too far to hear your clothes rustling) and they'll keep looking completely away from you.  :noway:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Shroomism]
    #4216521 - 05/24/05 10:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I did this with my good friend at we had an 8 out of 10 success rate.

If this is true, why don't you demonstrate it to James Randi and win yourself $1,000,000?

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Or for that matter, demonstrate it to Swami and win $10,000. Didn't you agree to do that then reneged on the promise??

Oh, that's right, this never works in controlled conditions where you CANNOT be fooling yourself. :shrug:

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Re: telepathy test [Re: newuser1492]
    #4216527 - 05/24/05 10:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

cb9fl said:
and it works best in my experience with someone you are close with. I did this with my good friend at we had an 8 out of 10 success rate.

If you're close to him you're probably more likely to think alike. That would equal a higher chance of having a correct answer.




Perhaps.. but that didn't seem to be the case with random colors. We also did the test with numbers from 1-20, with about the same results.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4216607 - 05/24/05 10:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I am a firm believer in telepathy for it has happened more times than I care to count. Almost without fail, when I'm staring at a beautiful woman's cleavage or the delightful curves of her toned buttocks, she will know what I'm thinking. Amazing.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4216856 - 05/24/05 11:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Diploid said:Neverminmd....




At least something was salvagable out of all that....  :wink:  :heart:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4217072 - 05/25/05 01:05 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Are you suggesting that telepathy is a demonstrable phenomenon?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Shroomism]
    #4217103 - 05/25/05 01:18 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

>We also did the test with numbers from 1-20, with about the same results.

Then you really should go and get yourself the million?

OR?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Anno]
    #4217131 - 05/25/05 01:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What are the conditions of the million?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4217143 - 05/25/05 01:31 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Are you suggesting that telepathy is a demonstrable phenomenon?




I am suggesting nothing, I have never tried it before....   
That is why I was asking for ways to test it(up at the top of the thread),
before all of the "PROOVE IT, PROOVE IT" posts started showing up....  :wink:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Shroomism]
    #4217157 - 05/25/05 01:35 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

>What are the conditions of the million?

Read http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4217169 - 05/25/05 01:39 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

before all of the "PROOVE IT, PROOVE IT" posts started showing up

When someone makes an outrageous claim, asking for proof is reasonable, no? :syringe:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4217191 - 05/25/05 01:48 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I guess trust plays a part of the factor for me, here.... 

If someone explains something "outrageous" that you choose to close your mind from, sometimes it is good to take those things a metaphors.....

I was asking for ways to test telepathy....  A test for the test seems a little overly redundant at this point of the game....  No...?    :heart:

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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4217205 - 05/25/05 01:54 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well, I guess trust plays a part of the factor for me, here....

I see. So if your bank statement suddenly indicates a zero balance even though you know you have $1000 there, you trust the statement rather than ask for proof of the withdrawal?

If someone explains something "outrageous" that you choose to close your mind from

If you've read any of my posts here, you'll know that my mind is far from closed. Rather my posts indicate a complete willingness to accept telepathy (or fill in your favorite mysticism) as long as you can back up your words with action.

So far, in all my life and all my posts here and all my experiences, all I've ever seen people do is t-a-l-k about mystical powers but not once, EVER, has anyone demonstrated them. Never, once!

I was asking for ways to test telepathy

And I gave you a perfectly good way to test it while getting rich at the same time. Please read::

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4217215 - 05/25/05 01:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any other tests to test telepathy that I can try at home before I go callin in the marching troops and sirens....?  :lol:

A fish doesn't jump out of water and start building skyscrapes without working out a few scetches first....    :sun:

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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4217222 - 05/25/05 02:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any other tests to test telepathy that I can try at home

Sure, zap me a thought. I will tell you what pops into my head. If I'm right, I suggest you go see Randi and get rich. I'll help set it up; he lives not far down the road from me. :syringe:

By the way, it costs you nothing to apply for the Randi Challenge. I don't see why all the hesitation if your (or anyone else's) powers are for real.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4217247 - 05/25/05 02:11 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

EGADS  :lol:  You certainly have a one track mind on this....!

Thanks for the advice in testing methods, I will get right on "zapping you a thought"....  :rolleyes:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4217256 - 05/25/05 02:14 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

EGADS  You certainly have a one track mind on this....!

Yes, I have a lot of experience debunking nonsense.  :wink:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4217263 - 05/25/05 02:19 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The captain has put the "all clear" signal on, you are free to move about the cabin as you wish....    :thumbup:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4217485 - 05/25/05 05:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

you got on, blue socks! :P


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4217580 - 05/25/05 06:33 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm posting because I just did that a couple minutes ago when I was going home. There was some girl walkin about 100 meters in front of me. And I was looking at her and kept telling her to turn and look at me, and she just turned, looked at me and turned back. The whole "calling" process lasted about 30 seconds.

More likely than telepathy is that some sub-process in her brain recognized a face in the far periphery of her vision and naturally she turned to examine it more closely.

Try it again with someone facing completely away from you (and who is too far to hear your clothes rustling) and they'll keep looking completely away from you.  :noway:





well that is exactly how it happened. There was nobody between us, she was walking about 100 meters in front of me. I was facing her back because we were going in the same direction. There is no way she could have heard me. I was not in the periphery of her vision, unless she has eyes on her ass or something. I was at her 6 o clock. and far away


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4217961 - 05/25/05 09:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously, why not take the $1,000,000 challenge if you are able to reproduce this and similar "processes"?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Anno]
    #4218037 - 05/25/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

because I'm not sure such "processes" exist in the first place


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Anno]
    #4218301 - 05/25/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'LL TAKE THE CHALLENGE!

Who do I call then?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Ego Death]
    #4218435 - 05/25/05 12:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Anno]
    #4218576 - 05/25/05 01:32 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

How many fingers am I holding up?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #4218883 - 05/25/05 03:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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PhatWhitey420 said:
How many fingers am I holding up?




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Re: telepathy test [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #4222195 - 05/26/05 11:12 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Eleven?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: StrandedVoyager]
    #4222605 - 05/26/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

By the way, PhatWhitey420, I think your sig line is supposed to read "My God, it's full of stars".

Great story, 2001.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: nonoman]
    #4222609 - 05/26/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I once started to believe in telepathy as for I was hearing voices and am now diagnosed Skitzophrenic. It is considered that high amounts of dopamine flood my brain and cause hallucinations. But back to the point, as for someone staring at the back of your neck and you turning around is obviously not telepathy for the fact that I myself turn around to look who is back there sometimes just to see if there is a person back there and other times when you don't know someone is behind you you never turn around. But since my evidence is only mine and only I see it it's hard to say that it truly doesn't exist. As for times that i've talked with my girlfriend we thought the same things on several occasions, but is simple coincidence and shows no evidence to being telepathic.

As for me hearing voices it comes from a chemical imbalance that is either genetic or from the use of drugs that did not fit well in my brain and caused the chemical imbalance. The doctors really don't know for sure.

As I think for believing in telepathy you are being very far fetched. But who knows there could be a certain part of the brain that links to other people's brains, we really don't know.

But as for having evidence, I have none that it exists, so will not spend my time trying to be telepathic or testing it in anyway for I have enough trouble as it is.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Droz]
    #4222632 - 05/26/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

As for times that i've talked with my girlfriend we thought the same things on several occasions, but is simple coincidence and shows no evidence to being telepathic.

Exactly.  :thumbup:

And most people remember the coincidence because it's unusual while forgetting the other thousand times they were in the same situation but nothing special happened.

You are remarkably well grounded for a schizophrenic.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4222640 - 05/26/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

And most people remember the coincidence because it's unusual while forgetting the other thousand times they were in the same situation but nothing special happened.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223745 - 05/26/05 06:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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As for times that i've talked with my girlfriend we thought the same things on several occasions, but is simple coincidence and shows no evidence to being telepathic.

Exactly.  :thumbup:

And most people remember the coincidence because it's unusual while forgetting the other thousand times they were in the same situation but nothing special happened.

You are remarkably well grounded for a schizophrenic.




I wouldn't post this if it was so. I've first heard about the "test" at the end of high school by my psychology professor, and have tried it maybe 5 times in my life. I can't remember the results from past years, but now I tried first time again and it worked.

And I'm not saying it's evidence, who cares about evidence here?
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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4223750 - 05/26/05 06:07 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

and it worked.

Please give me a cogent answer as to why you don't go get Randi's $1,000,000 rather than, like all mystics ever do, you sit here and TALK about it. :syringe:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223772 - 05/26/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

because I don't believe in it 100%, maybe 20%


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223788 - 05/26/05 06:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I am of the belief that it doesn't work. Lets get that out of the way.

Still I like to keep the door open and think about the posibility of it. If it was a latent talent that might be developed after some evolutionaly time, it might crop up from time to time now in a distorted or incomplete form.  Under pressure it might not work where under the right conditions of relaxation and abandon it could. Who knows. It might only happen once in your lifetime under ideal conditions. But to talk of it as a fact is nonsense given the evidence.

Keep tryin there folks, the $1,000,000 is waiting. :thumbup:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223809 - 05/26/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Why you don't go get Randi's $1,000,000 rather than, like all mystics ever do, you sit here and TALK about it. :syringe:



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Honestly, what do you think would happen after you prooved to this guy under his conditions that you could do it....?  I invision a car driving away with the person that prooved this ability in the back seat, never to be seen or heard from again....  Except when the government agent/doctors started poking and disecting your brain - in the name of science....

A million bucks might go a long way on Ebay, but if you don't have an address, what would be the point....?    :shrug:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4223824 - 05/26/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

it might crop up from time to time

I'd accept this but for the fact that controlled tests seeking evidence of telepathy and other paranormal claims have been going on for a hundred years. Even if the events are rare and difficult to reproduce, some inkling of them should have appeared by now. It hasn't.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4223840 - 05/26/05 06:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, what do you think would happen after you prooved to this guy under his conditions

I invision a car driving away with the person that prooved this ability in the back seat, never to be seen or heard from again


Absurd conspiracy theories aside, you would get paid.

The money is held in the form of immediately negotiable bonds held by Goldman Sachs of New York, a highly respected investment firm. Anyone can verify that the money exists by requesting the information in writing from the JREF. They will in turn forward you the most recent account statement from Goldman Sachs.

Additionally, the JREF is a 'tax exempt' organization, so they are required by law to have a level of financial transparency. That means that the public can request things like an annual report and copies of JREF's 990 (the tax return non-profits file). Go to http://atgdata.fdncenter.org/990search/search.php to look up JREF's 990.

Contained within these types of documents is enough information to verify that the organization does indeed have special assets in a reserved account to cover the prize, should it ever be won. The contract between the claimant and JREF is binding enough that the JREF must pay the prize if someone wins it. As a savvy applicant, all you need to do is verify that the organization has the funds to cover the prize. Also, if JREF were not able to hold up its end of the bargain, the IRS would investigate and pull the JREF's tax exempt status. It would mean severe penalties for the JREF, and Randi himself would also be personally liable and subject to potential incarceration. Rest assured: the money is there.

Do you have any other absurdities you'd like to use to obfuscate the real reason you will not apply for the challenge, i.e. you can only TALK about your powers but cannot demonstrate them??


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223857 - 05/26/05 06:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Do you have any other absudities you'd like to you to obfuscate the real reason you will not apply for the challenge, e.i. you can only talk about your powers but cannot demonstrate them??



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Whooooaaaa~....!  :whoa:  I don't remember ME claiming anything....!  Do you....? 
I was just interested in the topic and the HOME tests on telepathy....   
I think I have stated that a few times now.... 
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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223865 - 05/26/05 06:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

There is also a chance to get a million (of your local currency) In "who wants to be a millionaire" yet mayn do not want to go.

Does that mean they are not capable of getting some money there? No, everyone gets at least a thousant.

Why do I not go to that show? I don't want to be on TV, or in any media, I don't feel like traveling to the capital. I don't feel like doing anything. I want to be home.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4223883 - 05/26/05 06:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Only a select few can enter a game show.

A-N-Y-O-N-E who has genuine paranomal abilites can win Randi's $1,000,000. They have only to demonstrate what they TALK endlessly about. :syringe:

Talk is cheap, and that's all mystics ever do. :noway:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223893 - 05/26/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

ANYONE can APPLY for the game show, and I would never even like to try


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4223916 - 05/26/05 06:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

ANYONE can APPLY for the game show, and I would never even like to try

Anyone can apply to a game show, and thousand do, but there are only so many slots. Only a tiny fraction of game show applicants get a shot at the money. What does this have to do with the price of tea?

Anyone can apply for the Randi challenge and everyone who applies is given an opportunity to demonstrate what they claim.

Cut to the chase: why do you continue to talk and talk rather than go win the money? It costs you nothing to try. :syringe:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223924 - 05/26/05 06:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I've toled you already why not. I don't have any evidence with me. What could I show them?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4223936 - 05/26/05 07:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Have you applied to the test, or have you seen others get tested....?

Just curious - you said that you lived down the road from the guy....

If I had an ability, I don't know as I would want to proove it to anyone....  Not just to "proove" it anyways.... 
I don't like to be "put on the spot"....    :grin:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4223954 - 05/26/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Have you applied to the test

Of course not. What paranormal powers would I demonstrate? My killer cooking skills don't count. :tongue:

If I had an ability, I don't know as I would want to prove it to anyone

Not even to get rich? OK.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4226043 - 05/27/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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it might crop up from time to time

I'd accept this but for the fact that controlled tests seeking evidence of telepathy and other paranormal claims have been going on for a hundred years. Even if the events are rare and difficult to reproduce, some inkling of them should have appeared by now. It hasn't.




I hear ya. But what I'm saying is being so fragile and chaotic, these undeveloped powers would brake down under scientific testing, maybe there is a stress involved.

Many people have had some event in there live that they may have no explanation for. Maybe a few of these folks aren't kidding themselves.

Once we thought man would never fly. Who knows. In fact I think we just might have some powers that we don't know how to use yet. My eyes are open. :heart: :mushroom2:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226359 - 05/27/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

man cant fly, man-built machines can.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Doom]
    #4226384 - 05/27/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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man cant fly, man-built machines can.




The point for me is that we used our minds to build them and they are an extension of our totality.

Once man thought that impossible, like running the 4 minute mile.  As soon as someone did the impossible many more quickly did. :mushroom2:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226615 - 05/27/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Many people have had some event in there live that they may have no explanation for.

How many times have I hammered on this point? Lack of personal explanation does not equal mystical, magical nor supernatural. It only equals ignorance.

Looking back on those events declared supernatural that were later explained as more data came in; the inital assumptions made were universally wrong.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226653 - 05/27/05 01:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Once man thought that impossible, like running the 4 minute mile.

Sorry, but this does not apply even remotley.

Here you talking about degree of performance. Men were running 4:15 minute miles at the time and mankind had been running for millions of years.

It is not as if telepathy were 70% accurate and we are trying to get it to 75%. Telepathy only exists as anecdote and has never been demonstrated.


Believer: *wringing his hands* Please be more open-minded.

Skeptic: Please demonstrate to open my mind.

Believer: It is your lack of belief that prevents my demonstration.

Skeptic: It is your lack of ability that prevents your demonstration.

Believer: People once thought the world was flat.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4226735 - 05/27/05 01:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Once man thought that impossible, like running the 4 minute mile.

Sorry, but this does not apply even remotley.

Here you talking about degree of performance. Men were running 4:15 minute miles at the time and mankind had been running for millions of years.

It is not as if telepathy were 70% accurate and we are trying to get it to 75%. Telepathy only exists as anecdote and has never been demonstrated.


Believer: *wringing his hands* Please be more open-minded.

Skeptic: Please demonstrate to open my mind.

Believer: It is your lack of belief that prevents my demonstration.

Skeptic: It is your lack of ability that prevents your demonstration.

Believer: People once thought the world was flat.

Skeptic: *yawn*



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^^^^Only assuming you know everything.

As you can see from many of my posts I am not a true believer. Yet I will never close my mind because of my beliefs. "It's a done deal, I can't because it hasn't." I frankly do not know what is possible and what is not.

My point about the 4 minute mile is to illistrate how faith can be of some use to us. Once you believe it's possible, I didn't say probable, you are willing to try, the benefits of belief could be a more relaxed body. That the mind can influence the ability of the body is something medical science has just stared to acknowledge. They called many people nuts and quacks on this issue. Had they not persisted we would not have another tool for health.

You of course are preaching to the choir here Swami. But you put me in the box with all the "true believers". I have my own box.  :mushroom2:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4226772 - 05/27/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

My point about the 4 minute mile is to illistrate how faith can be of some use to us.

Your point has no relevance in this issue. Refining training methods is not creating/discovering a new ability.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4226789 - 05/27/05 01:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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My point about the 4 minute mile is to illistrate how faith can be of some use to us.

Your point has no relevance in this issue. Refining training methods is not creating/discovering a new ability.




Fine drop it, My point remains the same. No one knows for sure, it's a best guess.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Doom]
    #4227144 - 05/27/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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man cant fly, man-built machines can.




what's the difference? A beaver can stop a river, the details of how he does it are up to his choice


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4227150 - 05/27/05 03:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Many people have had some event in there live that they may have no explanation for.

How many times have I hammered on this point? Lack of personal explanation does not equal mystical, magical nor supernatural. It only equals ignorance.

Looking back on those events declared supernatural that were later explained as more data came in; the inital assumptions made were universally wrong.




and what is the difference between magic and ignorance of the beholder? Magic IS an action which the beholder can not explain due to lack of knowledge.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4227635 - 05/27/05 06:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

This was well-covered in the David Blaine thread on street magic and applies to telpathy as well.

Ignorance says: I don't know how he did it.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4227693 - 05/27/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

magic can be an illusion, this is the kind of magic many magicians do, it can also be technology: a TV is magic to some isolated primitive tribe
It can be unknown natural phenomenon: lightning probably used to be some godly magic to people before we figured out what it is
And in this cathegory you could squese some undiscovered natural abilities of human beings, or hidden nature of consciousness

Non of this is supernatural, because supernatural can not exist. Only fools believe in that word. But we are far from understanding everything. It is quite possible that there are some phenomenons in nature and universe or properties of human body that might seem unbelivable now, but will be taught in future schools.

It is only logical that poeple of today would consider future scientific discoveries as something impossible. Those minds that can imagine and believe in "impossible" are the ones who bring it to us: like Edison or Einstein

Telepathy might belong to any of the above cathegories, being least likely technology, and most likely illusion and a trick, with the option of it being a natural ability of all human beings on the close second place


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Re: telepathy test [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #4231066 - 05/28/05 06:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

...and the world remains flat for the skeptic while the rest of humanity pushes onward.

Too bad.


Care to translate? How does astrology and UFOlogy push the world forward?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4231090 - 05/28/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

astrology has no scientific basis as of today, ufology does: an alien being CAN exist, and alien scapecraft CAN exist, non of them brake any modern scientific laws, so I wouldn't put these in the same basket


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4231093 - 05/28/05 07:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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How does astrology and UFOlogy push the world forward?



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By studying and/or trying to understand that which we do not yet fully understand.... 
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Re: telepathy test [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #4231111 - 05/28/05 07:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

That was in regard to skeptics. If we all remained skeptical and sleepy, no advancements would be achieved.

Now you must add the word "sleepy" to skeptical. This does not show faith in your stance that you must try to shore it up.

You and everyone here is using some technology that I have contributed to. None of you are using ANY technology contributed by belief in telepathy.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4231126 - 05/28/05 07:18 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

confirmation of existance of telepathy could help us better understand the nature of our brain and mind. Not every knowledge is technical in nature. Knowing what a brain does in sleep does not make any new technology, but it is good to know such information after all


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    #4231133 - 05/28/05 07:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: telepathy test [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #4231270 - 05/28/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Are you using the internet, satellite TV, a cell phone, drive a car? I contributed in mminor ways to all of these; yet you still maintain a skeptic gives nothing to society. Facts have no meaning; only your unsubstantiated opinion? Are logic and reason and truth in your lexicon?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4231285 - 05/28/05 08:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Swami, may I ask, why do you keep putting reason and logic against things that you consider "parantormal"? How does reason dictate what you think about UFOs or telepathy?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4231355 - 05/28/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Are you using the internet, satellite TV, a cell phone, drive a car? I contributed in mminor ways  to all of these



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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4231357 - 05/28/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Amidst the jokes and one-liners, I have outlined eveything v-e-r-y clearly in my numerous posts. Do a search else I would have to repeat thousands of posts to adequtely answer your question.

In short, people all-too-frequently jump to the wrong conclusion and assume it is correct. Not one single paranormal claim has EVER panned out; not ONE!


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4231369 - 05/28/05 08:13 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

But it is not rational to conclude non of them are untrue, nor is it rational to conclude that they are. What is rational is not to conclude at all


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4231400 - 05/28/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Be honest now. Can you do that?

If I told you there was a grizzly bear in your bedroom, what would be your conclusion?

BTW, there is a big, mean one there RIGHT NOW!


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4231490 - 05/28/05 08:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

one thing is jumping a bit to a conclusion just for fun, and another thing is taking your belief seriously, betting on it, judging on it, and spreading it.

As for your case with a bear:
As a sign of good will, I'd be ready to give you the benefit of a doubt and say, ok supose there is a bear right there.
But I wouldn't bet my life on it, just as I wouldn't bet my life on the question of aliens, religion, afterlife, telepathy or anything on the margin like that.

I do have my opinion on all of these subjects but this opinion is mostly double, it changes from day to day depending on where I let my thoughts wonder, which you can see from my posts: one day I'm defending one side, the other day I'm defending the other side, usually I chose to defend the one that is weaker at the moment.
In these questions there is enough material to lead your mind into one way of thinking or another way of thinking. Since there is a way to find logic and sense in both sides of these issues, steering one way or another way is as easy as riding a bicycle, you just have to know how to get in the mood of the certain side of the argument.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Ego Death]
    #4235879 - 05/30/05 05:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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I'LL TAKE THE CHALLENGE!
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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4236459 - 05/30/05 11:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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More likely than telepathy is that some sub-process in her brain recognized a face in the far periphery of her vision and naturally she turned to examine it more closely.

Try it again with someone facing completely away from you (and who is too far to hear your clothes rustling) and they'll keep looking completely away from you.  :noway:





:grin:

This is funny Diploid. I read this telepathy test a while ago, and only now did i read the rest of the thread including this reply. This is why its funny:

So yesterday, my mother comes back from a weekend away from home, and so i get out of my room to say hi. And i see her at the end of the hall 5 meters away from me, talking to my little bro. She doesn't know i'm there watching her, she's facing completely away from me, and i stay there and listen to her talking with my bro. I wait for about 20 seconds, she has no idea i'm there, and i start remembering about this telepathy test. So i start concentrating the way Oldwoodspecter said, and 2 seconds later, to my great surprise, she SUDDENLY turns her head and notices i'm there. And i'm still amazed at the way she quickly turned her head, with a look of surprise on her face, like if she was suddenly aware of someone's presence behind her, and she had a bit of a frightened look on her face as she turned her head towards me.

I'm not saying this confirms the reality of telepathy for me, but it was an interesting experience.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: exclusive58]
    #4236475 - 05/30/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The "stare recognition" phenomenon has been tested UNDER CONTROLLLED CONDITIONS and has failed. People claiming to be able to do this were put behind soundproof glass and were unable to tell when someone was or was not looking at them.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4236636 - 05/30/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

So because 'people' failed in one example in controlled conditions it doesn't exist? That doesn't seem very fair or logical. I could claim that I am the best chess player in the world, doesn't mean I am.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4236878 - 05/30/05 02:07 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I think putting people under controlled conditions to test this are particular conditions that make it impossible to find anything.

I think it only works spontaneously, i mean that if you're waiting for someone to be staring at you, than it doesn't work anymore. The person being tested has to be "naive" to the test, the person can't know what's happening or what's being tested..

i don't know if that made sense but whatever

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Re: telepathy test [Re: exclusive58]
    #4236934 - 05/30/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Here is what happens with NO controlled conditions:

1. People forget the multitude of times it doesn't "work".

2. People disregard subtle sound or other physical cues in favor of mystical cues.


These stories tell us nothing except the human predisposition to self-delusion.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4236987 - 05/30/05 02:32 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

So therefore, if the "stare recognition" really existed, there wouldn't be anyway to prove it did.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: exclusive58]
    #4237871 - 05/30/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

So therefore, if the "stare recognition" really existed, there wouldn't be anyway to prove it did.

It could be proven to exist if demonstrated in an environment where all other potential causes of the response have been controlled and removed such that only the Stare remains, i.e. behind soundproof glass. If under those conditions the stare is recognized, it would be evidence that it exists.

Under any other conditions it could be due to telepathy, or sound, or sub-audible creaking of the floor boards, or disrupted air currents, or lighting, or bad breath...


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4237882 - 05/30/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

even then, the person might turn for no reason, like in my case


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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4237936 - 05/30/05 07:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

even then, the person might turn for no reason, like in my case

If they can detect the stare and turn accurately more often than can be accounted for by chance, then it would still be evidence of telepathy.

In all the tests done to-date, this has NEVER happened.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4238090 - 05/30/05 08:53 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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It could be proven to exist if demonstrated in an environment where all other potential causes of the response have been controlled and removed such that only the Stare remains, i.e. behind soundproof glass. If under those conditions the stare is recognized, it would be evidence that it exists.

Under any other conditions it could be due to telepathy, or sound, or sub-audible creaking of the floor boards, or disrupted air currents, or lighting, or bad breath...




Here is an example of a scientist trying to test something he knows nothing about.

Did you ever consider that the "sound proof glass" could block any telepathic signals.

If these telepathic abilities do exist. They are obviously very weak and underdeveloped.

The "Skeptic" will expect the power to work under any and every situation. When in fact it only works under certain very specific situations. Every reported instance of telepathy happened under "similar" circumstances. A truly open-minded scientist would take these facts into consideration......but the scientist really don't want to prove anything but their own ability to run their mouth about how smart they are.

Fact is we know very little about the world around us or why we are here. We come up with these "theories" that work most of the time and we think we "Know it ALL". But we don't

Telepathy is just as likely to be as real as any other thing we see in our world....we just haven't found a way to prove it yet.


I believe it was Copernicus who thought the sun was the center of the solar system and not the earth. The people of Aristotle's time would have thought this idea to be just as stupid as the theory of telepathy is today.

The reason Copernicus's theory was accepted was the invention of a new technology called the telescope.

In order to fully prove telepathy works....we will have to invent a new technology to detect any "telepathic waves"

Since no one believes telepathy is real we aren't looking for a "telepathy meter". If we do find these "telepathy waves" it will be by accident while studying some other aspect of the brain.


To say that something isn't real/doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it or proven it........doesn't mean that is isn't real.


To close ones mind to the possibility of telepathy is just.....well, arrogant, IMO.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: niteowl]
    #4238897 - 05/31/05 03:23 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Did you ever consider that the "sound proof glass" could block any telepathic signals.

Yawn...

Scientists are not stupid, and contrary to popular belief, they are not out to debunk; they are out to find the truth, whatever it may be.

This test has also been done with earplugs. Same result.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4238916 - 05/31/05 03:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but they were the telepathic-blocking ear plugs.

The "stare recognition" test works best when stalking a woman on the streets late at night while wearing heavy work boots.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4238935 - 05/31/05 03:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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eMotionALLMotion said:
Honestly, what do you think would happen after you proved to this guy under his conditions
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I envision a car driving away with the person that proved this ability in the back seat, never to be seen or heard from again

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Absurd conspiracy theories aside, you would get paid.



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Diploid said:
Do you not realize that if the military had the slightest inkling that these powers were for real, it would be the most heavily funded area of research since the Manhattan Project because these types of powers would instantly trump every other weapon humans have ever invented?



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Are you Randi, a worker for Randi, or do you possibly work for the government....?
Is Randi the only one in the world that can verify telepathy....?
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Now, I have never heard discussions about this topic and I find it very interesting....  It is abundantly clear what your stance is on this topic, why not just let it go and let people talk about it....?    I don't know if it is possible, but I would never rule anything out as impossible, and if there are ways to develop this kind of thing, I would like to hear people talk about it - instead of defending themselves on why an experience was or wasn't real, or why they do not want to take Randi's test.... 
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Honestly, if you had the ability, would you go for the test to be a military weapon for the rest of your life....?   
Would you want to be owned by any government as a "tool"....?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4238948 - 05/31/05 04:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

>Is Randi the only one in the world that can verify telepathy....?

No, be he is the only one, as far I know, that will give you $1,000,000 if you can demonstrate it to him.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4238957 - 05/31/05 04:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Is Randi the only one in the world that can verify telepathy....?

Nope, how about these:

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The Premanand Challenge:
http://www.indian-skeptic.org/html/rules.htm

The Australian Skeptics Challenge:
http://www.skeptics.com.au/index.html

The Science and Rationalists' Challenge:
http://humanists.net/avijit/prabir/sra.htm

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And there's even our own home-grown Swami challenge which Shroomism and others matter-of-factly stated they will win, but never even showed up to demonstrate.

All these offer large sums of money to the first person to demonstrate telepathy (or any other mystical power). All have been available for years. No one has ever passed the preliminary test.

why not just let it go and let people talk about it

Why can't their discussion stand my scrutiny?

I don't know if it is possible, but I would never rule anything out as impossible

Who's saying telepathy is impossible? Not me. I'm just saying it's never been demonstrated; not even ONCE.

Honestly, if you had the ability, would you go for the test to be a military weapon for the rest of your life

You guys really need to come up with a new conspiracy theory. I've already taken this one apart several times. Besides, I don't think if you won the Swami challenge, he'd take you to a government lab to be dissected; he's too nice a guy for that.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4238966 - 05/31/05 04:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Swami would hack you up in his cellar and feed your mangled carcass into his garbage disposal before toking up and playing racquetball. I guess he'd probably put your brain in a jar with a label too.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4238968 - 05/31/05 04:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You guys really need to come up with a new conspiracy theory. I've already taken this one apart several times. Besides, I don't think if you won the Swami challenge, he'd take you to a government lab to be dissected; he's too nice a guy for that.

Nah, I would teach you the basics of poker, then back you in a high-stakes No-Limit Hold'em Tournament and then we would party non-stop: babes, hot tubs, limos, champagne, budz...


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4238986 - 05/31/05 04:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

BTW, I am currently #2 out of 315 players in a www.TrueMoneyGames.com no-limit tournament. The other players accuse me of being able to read their minds. There are 40 players left. Update later.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4238994 - 05/31/05 04:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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The other players accuse me of being able to read their minds.



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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4238997 - 05/31/05 04:57 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Your comment would have been funny except that playing people thousands of miles away is already fairly good sound-proofing.

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    #4239001 - 05/31/05 05:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

(I overlooked the online part....)

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Re: telepathy test [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4239004 - 05/31/05 05:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You are forgiven.

Now #1 of 27. The Swaminator has become the dominator. The other players tremble when I bet.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4239016 - 05/31/05 05:26 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I suspect you are crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you...I'm also detecting the lamentation of women. You forgot to un-gag the hooker.

What are those tournament money tables like so far as level of play goes? Similar to true poker money tables?


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Re: telepathy test [Re: orechron]
    #4239019 - 05/31/05 05:30 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

# 1 of 11. Getting exciting now.

Average player: $42,000.

Swami: $138,000.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4239021 - 05/31/05 05:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Swami now at $158,000. 8 players left.


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    #4239034 - 05/31/05 05:50 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

#2 of 5.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4239044 - 05/31/05 06:05 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

*Pouts* #5 of 5.

AKs lost to J9 (paired the nine)

QQ lost to 99 (set of nines)

88 lost to 99

AJ lost to T9s (paired the nine)

I HATE NINES! I AM WORTHLESS!

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4239132 - 05/31/05 07:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

rough.

If it makes you feel any better I just caught a nice trout on my fly rod a little while ago.


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    #4239134 - 05/31/05 07:18 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Your computer is next to a trout pond / river?


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    #4239139 - 05/31/05 07:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

There's a brook in my backyard. Took a quick break from doing work to go fishing.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: orechron]
    #4239147 - 05/31/05 07:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I took your cue and put a frozen Gordon's breaded whitefish fillet on a hook and dragged it across the carpet. Wheee - yah! Put up a helluva fight!


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4239151 - 05/31/05 07:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You've got to compensate for your humiliating defeat somehow.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Shroomism]
    #4297923 - 06/15/05 01:56 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

>So because 'people' failed in one example in controlled conditions it doesn't exist?

How do we tell if something exists or not? Isn't a controlled experiment set up in the agreement of the tester and the tested to show something exists or not the best and only way to show this?

>That doesn't seem very fair or logical.

How so?

> I could claim that I am the best chess player in the world, doesn't mean I am.

LOL, exactly. You will have to PROVE it, conveniently by playing against some of the top ranked chess players. A controlled experiment.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: orechron]
    #4298307 - 06/15/05 07:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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There's a brook in my backyard. Took a quick break from doing work to go fishing.




Lucky boy. Ok what kind of trout? Brookies? I grew up with a brook trout creek on my grandparents farm. I loved that creek. Cedar Creek it was in Michigan. Most fish 6 or 7 inches. Twelve inches a trophy.  :heart:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4298559 - 06/15/05 09:29 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If indeed telepathy exists, I'm sure it's be used in a more subtle sense that people aren't aware of, like the idea of the sixth sense (not seeing dead people). And because of that, it's taken for granted.

Of course, the only stories I had ever heard involving telepathy that I cared to pay attention to, involved, a government project in the 80s. Does Farseeing count as telepathy?

On a side note, I remember hearing a story about a man who though he had telepathy. He got up from bed one morning, and looked at his alarm clock (windup), and it stopped. Convinced he had mind powers, he stood in front of a train, willing it to stop. It didn't. It was from the darwin awards, I believe.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: WanderingStudent]
    #4298875 - 06/15/05 10:34 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

about telepathy:

1.
remember bram stoker's draculla by coppola. by the time i was 15 this movie was my all time favorite. at the time i fell deeply in love for the first time. a tremendous passion because it was almost religious. i believed love was the most powerful thing in the universe. in the film there is this scene in london where dracula looks at mena and makes her look at him. well, in the middle of a few dozens of students i was contemplating as we walked the girl that filled my dreams and made me literally feel a strong chill down my spine, through my whole body actually the first time i saw her. that just proved me how chemical love and passion really are. so I was looking at her and without any will or deliberate intention by me, the words just popped in my mind: "look at me... now" and to my amazement, before i could even realize what was happening she did look back.

part 2 involves hallucinogenic plants and will come tomorrow...

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4299526 - 06/15/05 01:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Most fish 6 or 7 inches. Twelve inches a trophy.

Isn't "trout" just a euphemism?


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    #4299549 - 06/15/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

To you! :penis: :yesnod:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4299815 - 06/15/05 02:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Guess you do not want to see my trophy room...


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4299823 - 06/15/05 02:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Sure, why not. I want to see you mount some head. :thumbup: :mushroom2:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4307210 - 06/17/05 10:27 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

harmaline was first named telepathine, you can guess why. i will not post any report on personal experiences as if first thought i would, because i realized it is pointless. i wouldn't convince anyone of anything. all i can say is that for those interested in studying human potential for telepathy and eventually studying ways to develop such potential, harmaline is a good way to go.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
    #4307260 - 06/17/05 10:46 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks I will make the experiment. Hands on research is one of the most interesting and productive parts of science and spirituality. :cool: :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
    #4308092 - 06/17/05 03:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Sure, eat a halicinogen before attempting to determine if your telephathy is real or imagined. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone can tell if the rivers in wood grain or the moving clouds are real or not when they're tripping.

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FYI, controlled studies searching for telepahy (tripping subjects, sober observers) have been done with subjects on harmaline and many other tryptamines, LSD, psilocybin, fill-in-the-blank.

Without exception, they all failed to detect any hint of telepathy.

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    #4308096 - 06/17/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Kiljoy! :mad:

I still plan on conducting this experiment to validate these earlier studies. :mushroom2:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Icelander]
    #4308166 - 06/17/05 03:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Me too, just in case (and because I rarely pass up an oportunity to trip).  :smirk:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4308234 - 06/17/05 04:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

>We need an S&P FAQ.

Start one.

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    #4308239 - 06/17/05 04:32 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4309068 - 06/17/05 08:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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Sure, eat a halicinogen before attempting to determine if your telephathy is real or imagined. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone can tell if the rivers in wood grain or the moving clouds are real or not when they're tripping.






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    #4316625 - 06/20/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

well, all I can say is that in my personal experience I was under the influence of hallucinogenic substances, but the other person was not, and actually until a certain point we were not even in the same room. furthermore the fact that this person experienced visions without having taken any substance is by itself a mesmerizing evidence that something happened. of course I'm not proving anything to anyone, just sharing experiences for whoever may find it useful.

what about dreams in which a person sees something that in the next day they find to have happened for real? what happened? can we explain it? should we deny it because we can't prove it?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
    #4317589 - 06/20/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

what about dreams in which a person sees something that in the next day they find to have happened for real? what happened?

What happened is they made claims of the dream after the fact, never before.

The Internet is full of stories of people who claimed they dreamed the events of 9/11 before they happened. However, not one single pre-9/11 post on a dated message board has ever turned up.

For that matter, you'd think with all the claimed mystics on the Shroomery that someone would have had a premonition of the single most important event in modern history. Do a search; you'll find lots of talk on 9/12, but nary a word on 9/10.

can we explain it?

Explain what? There is no evidence to examine or explain.

should we deny it because we can't prove it?

We should deny it because it cannot be detected.  :syringe:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
    #4317608 - 06/20/05 03:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

In my experience harmaline only generates a hallucinogenic experience in conbination with orally ingested DMT. Harmaline alone just makes me shit, puke, and get sleepy.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4317685 - 06/20/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I will combine the best of both worlds and create yummy harmaline beer.  :thumbup: Twice the reason to puke and get sleepy.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4319728 - 06/21/05 05:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

harmaline can be used with many other substances besides dmt. people usually think harmaline combined with shrooms equals a shroom high with doubled intensity, but this is not true. when combined with a small shroom dosage you can experience harmaline itself.

now about dreams:
there was a documentary the other day about a group of scientists that worked for nearly a decade trying to solve a problem of airplane crashes on landing that could not be solved.
one of the major stresses they had was that while they worked to get measures implemented accidents occur.
one night one of this scientists dreamed that another accident had happened. waking up in the morning he told his wife he was sure there had been another crash. when they checked the news it was true.

of course it is up to you to believe it or not.

"We should deny it because it cannot be detected"
wow... maybe we should deny dreams. after all, what evidence do we have other than subjective experience?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
    #4319871 - 06/21/05 07:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

waking up in the morning he told his wife he was sure there had been another crash. when they checked the news it was true.

And the thousand other dreams he told his wife that didn't come true were conveniently forgotten. If you roll the dice often enough, you will roll snake-eyes eventually.

This guy didn't happen to verifiably document his premonition, did he? I didn't think so.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4320017 - 06/21/05 09:19 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

A study of stats on plane and train crashes and boat sinkings over a 20 year period showed no cancellations or vacancies out of the ordinary as might be expected if premonitions were valid.


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4320271 - 06/21/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You're nothing but a wannabe :rotfl:


Yes, it IS telepathy and no, its not testable!  :blush:  :ooo:

"HOW??? HOW CAN THIS POSSIBLY BE?" Screams Diploid.

Why, its elementary my dear Diploid!  How can you test something that you cannot consciously control?

I don't think that the calling process, as described works.  I have always found telepathy to be randomly inspired, i've never had concious control of it yet I am certain that I have experienced it and it is real telepathy.  No I don't have any proof either, so we may as well stop talking now. :lol:

If you are as open-minded as you think you are then
WHY could you not detect other possabilities???


This dualistic mindset limits you. :evil:

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    #4320292 - 06/21/05 10:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You're nothing but a wannabe

Ah yes, the familiar ad hominem. You cannot refute my argument, so in frustration you attack me instead.

How can you test something that you cannot consciously control?

Statistically.

As Swami pointed out, if premonitions were for real, then over the course of the 20 year study, there would be slightly more cancellations on flights destined to crash then on other flights.

The statistical analysis of flights over 20 years showed that the same number of cancellations occur on all flights, crashed or not.  :syringe:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4320308 - 06/21/05 10:41 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Picking apart quote by quote - thats another Swarmi classic :rotfl:

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4320317 - 06/21/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Do you really want me to list all the assumptions and details you've overlooked that could make this NOT 100% true???

STILL, wheres that open mind you claim to have?

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    #4320325 - 06/21/05 10:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

>>>Ah yes, the familiar ad hominem. You cannot refute my argument, so in frustration you attack me instead.


Actually I very CLEARLY refuted you're arguement.

Besides that was an observation not an AD Hom hence me not being banned for it!!!!

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Ego Death]
    #4320330 - 06/21/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

How about leaving ME out of the discussion and instead address my objections?

But as long as we're on the ad hominem path, didn't you say earlier that you would prove your powers? Direct quote from earlier in this thread:

I'LL TAKE THE CHALLENGE!

Who do I call then?


So what's up? Did you apply for the JREF million dollar challenge? No, I didn't think you would.  :syringe:


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Re: telepathy test [Re: Diploid]
    #4320332 - 06/21/05 10:48 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Because I cannot conciously control it. durrr :lol:

I said I would take the test I did not state I could achieve anything by doing so.


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    #4320342 - 06/21/05 10:53 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Who wins the argument then dudes?

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    #4320530 - 06/21/05 11:58 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Rupert Sheldrake published a report regarding this staring sense. Make what you will of it.

From Wikipedia, "Morphogenetic Fields":

In 2003 he published The Sense of Being Stared At, about a sense reported widely by a great many people. This included an experiment by blindfolding people with airline blindfolds, and placing people behind them to stare either at their neck or off to another target - half of each, chosen by coin toss or random number tables. As of the sound of a loud click, the person being stared at (or not) must say whether they are or are not being stared at. If the guess is wrong, and they are told that, they get it wrong less often. Over tens of thousands of trials, the score is consistently above chance: 60% when the subject is being looked at, extremely significant, but only 50% when they are not - random chance. This suggests there may be a weak sense of being stared at, but no sense of not being stared at. Sheldrake claims that these experiments have been very widely repeated, in schools in Connecticut and Toronto and a science museum in Amsterdam, with consistent results.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: trouted]
    #4321077 - 06/21/05 02:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Sheldrake published his results without peer review, he did not use standard double-blind methodology, and he did not use experimental control subjects. This renders his work pseudo-scientific nonsense no better than anecdote.

For a test to be scientifically valid, it must be designed so that the only possible cause of the effect is the cause being studied; this means the experiment must be double-blind and controlled. Any variation from this requirement and the test becomes subject to the Clever Hans effect and therefore meaningless.

I really need to get to work on that FAQ: Every scientifically valid (Read: meaningful) test searching for telepathy (or any other magical power) in the last 100+ years has come up empty. Only anecdote says this stuff exists. Anecdote says the Tooth Fairy exists too, but she never shows up at proper experiments.

And The Randi Foundation's $1 million prize has been up for grabs for 40 years. No one has yet passed the pretest.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: Swami]
    #4321912 - 06/21/05 06:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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QQ lost to 99 (set of nines)





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    #4323807 - 06/22/05 05:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

just one thing about that premonition study. in all the posts I've made on this thread I haven't for one single time described an event of premonition. what I've been discussing are telepathy experiences in which someone perceives that something is occurring or has just occurred. so there can't really be any evidence unless you are next to that person and share the experience, nor can the person prevent the calamity, if that is the case.

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    #4324275 - 06/22/05 10:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

In other words, you're talking about an undefined something with no specific location or mode of action that cannot be induced or detected in any way except by the word of the person who claims the power.

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    #4325454 - 06/22/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think it's pretty much defined: someone becomes aware (usually through a dream) of an event that is occurring or has just occurred somewhere else.
the location is actually very specific: it happens in a human brain.
the mode of action is yet unknown, but I believe in some cultures the induction of such states is achieved and controlled after proper training which usually takes a very long time and evolves something much larger than just telepathy.
and finally yes, it can only be detected by the experimenter (it's a subjective experience) or someone present at the experience.

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Re: telepathy test [Re: a_h_w]
    #4941636 - 11/16/05 01:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

So, did anyone apply for a test at http://www.randi.org/research/index.html ?

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Re: telepathy test [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #27516474 - 10/24/21 03:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Similar to your experience, the video below provides many more sources of evidence for telepathy (including telepathy as it relates to the use of psychedelics), and it explains how we can harness the power of telepathic communication for the purpose of literally stopping all the world's suffering - not selling anything for money, just offering honest information and a real solution :heart:


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