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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7457523 - 09/26/07 08:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yet, it can never be repeated in front of skeptics. :rolleyes:




Oh yeah? And whose fault is that?
You skeptics and your bad karma! :razz:




Is it bad karma....?    I think not....
All of the skeptics have banned together in one united seminar,
and they all know about the raising the "Big Left Toe" technique of foiling all telepathy attempts....  :mad:

If you ever here the code "BLT", they are NOT talking about a samich~....    :wink:


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I hear it loud and clear :lol:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7457528 - 09/26/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The reason that I am so skeptical is actually biological. As a child, I had tolio... :rofl2:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7457529 - 09/26/07 08:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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instead of saying "well you could have opened the door, and seen nobody there, and then you wouldn't have a story to tell."





Why do you dicard this as irrelevent? Do you remember all the times you had a somewhat similar thing happening?





I have had such experiences as the story you gave, but I happen to give more meaning to synchronicities than you do. I can't write them off because I know it's not just something that happens as a probability which is no more meaningful than any other possible event.

I'm getting a little tired now because I have a cold and I'm on a lot of medicine but I'm going to try and work through the thought process:

In a sense it's true that these are just everyday events that I make into fantastical stories. A story about how I went to Mcdonalds and got a chicken sandwich instead of a hamburger would be just as meaningful right? We could make just as many connections as to why this would be very strange.

So why make a big deal about these things? I think it has something to do with the fact that the connections which come to mind seem meaningful, the words and ideas come together to form a neat little miracle. I liked Seagull's Stan story not because it was such a coincidence but moreso because it was creates funny connections, like "his sister put that particular CD in because she was subconsciously motivated by the death of Stan" or something like that.

It's about not taking things at face value. You said yourself that the Oprah incident was a product of a human cultural pool or something like that. That story makes me think of memes or events and whether they have some attracting force to them, or their significance in a bigger picture. Oprah gives her audience members each a car, and it sends ripples throughout the lives of every human. We both accept that these events are just as likely as any other, but that's what makes them so interesting - like witnessing just how absurd infinity is.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7457541 - 09/26/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Interestingly enough, it was the scientific-minded who discovered the world was round and NOT the magical-thinkers.




I think you'd be surprised at how many of the scientific-minded who made these large discoveries were also magical-thinkers. And how many of these discoveries were made through magical-thinking. Isaac Newton revolutionized the world, and was connected to the Freemasons and was a Rosicrusian (sp?). There are many many stories about highly important discoveries being made through non-rational means.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7457543 - 09/26/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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she suddenly stood up and looked at the mirror, right as she did the mirror cracked right in half.




Isn't that like 7 years bad luck....?    :eek:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7457553 - 09/26/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've had dreams that I've actually written down in my dream journal and they have happened after the fact, with people saying the very words that I wrote down. Of course, how could I prove to a skeptic that I didn't write the dream down after?


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7457567 - 09/26/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Interestingly enough, it was the scientific-minded who discovered the world was round and NOT the magical-thinkers.




I think you'd be surprised at how many of the scientific-minded who made these large discoveries were also magical-thinkers. And how many of these discoveries were made through magical-thinking. Isaac Newton revolutionized the world, and was connected to the Freemasons and was a Rosicrusian (sp?). There are many many stories about highly important discoveries being made through non-rational means.




Francis Crick, the man who discovered DNA, was high on LSD at the time, apparently after seeing double helix related visions as a result of taking the drug. Coincidence, or just magic man believer nonsense?


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7457582 - 09/26/07 08:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had dreams that I've actually written down in my dream journal and they have happened after the fact, with people saying the very words that I wrote down. Of course, how could I prove to a skeptic that I didn't write the dream down after?




The obvious answer here is that it is a figment of your imagination. :wink:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7457586 - 09/26/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Francis Crick, the man who discovered DNA, was high on LSD at the time, apparently after seeing double helix related visions as a result of taking the drug. Coincidence, or just magic man believer nonsense?




Could it be that we (our body) know more than we're generally aware of? Duh... :smirk:
Do psychedelics surface the unconscious? :strokebeard:
Yes. :mushroom2:
Could it be the case?
Perhaps :shrug:

Is this magic? No


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7457599 - 09/26/07 08:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If magic = supernatural, and the supernatural is what is beyond our 5 senses...

Then yes, we could call that magic.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7457606 - 09/26/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Is this magic? No




Correct, it is just another indication there are things out there that exist, which really cannot be proven by conventional methods. Anyone who has benefited from a psychedelic can attest to this.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7457612 - 09/26/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Francis Crick, the man who discovered DNA, was high on LSD at the time, apparently after seeing double helix related visions as a result of taking the drug. Coincidence, or just magic man believer nonsense?




Yes. This instance could also have been his subconscious mind solving the problem for him, and once solved, was shown to him when tripping. This happens with dreams a lot, too. But yeah, it's definitely "non-rational". There are many of these type situations.

Not completely the same, but of relevance, is the story of Jakob Bohme: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/mad-science/jakob-bohme/


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7457621 - 09/26/07 09:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

How is it beyond our 5 senses?
He saw the hologram tripping... it means that we all use more than 5 senses when tripping? No prove of that until now. :shrug: The unconscious mind is not a sense by itself.

And anyways magic is:

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mag·ic      /ˈmædʒɪk/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[maj-ik] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the art of producing illusions as entertainment by the use of sleight of hand, deceptive devices, etc.; legerdemain; conjuring: to pull a rabbit out of a hat by magic.
2. the art of producing a desired effect or result through the use of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature. Compare contagious magic, imitative magic, sympathetic magic.
3. the use of this art: Magic, it was believed, could drive illness from the body.
4. the effects produced: the magic of recovery.
5. power or influence exerted through this art: a wizard of great magic.




Doesn't seem the case in this example :shrug:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7457631 - 09/26/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

True, got a little ahead of myself there. I don't really believe that our unconscious is a magical psychic sense, only that it can surface to our conscious in funny "magical" ways.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7457671 - 09/26/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This is something entirely different, it's just how we perceive uncommon stuff to be.
Many things in the past were imposible to be explained and labeled as magic and in time they've been explained. :shrug:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7457674 - 09/26/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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True, got a little ahead of myself there. I don't really believe that our unconscious is a magical psychic sense, only that it can surface to our conscious in funny "magical" ways.




Basically meaning that there are things out there that science cannot 100% account for yet, thus not necessarily rendering everything explained incompletely by modern science nonexistent.


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7457695 - 09/26/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My explanation for synchronicity is "it happens because it could have happened."

I never said it was impossible to explain, but the act of explaining it does seem to take away from it's significance as a glimpse of infinity.

Honestly, that is what most of our explanations come down to - it happened this way because these conditions were met to allow it to happen like this. You could look at it that way, or you could take a more subjective stance and see the individual connections in each event. When there are more uncommon connections or unexpected connections, it gets harder to explain as to how or why. Science might eventually have a great explanation for it in the future though

As Kinematics was getting at, this doesn't mean that the connections one makes are false or imaginary, just that they don't have a scientific explanation


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7457722 - 09/26/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it's really so important for other people to worry about what is true and what is not. I find the thing that holds legitimate meaning for its believer is what is truly important, over prove this or that's not so, et cetera.

If you want to trust in science and the truths it brings to you offer you meaning, then so be it. If there are people who find meaning in the truths of things unexplained by science, then so be it as well. :tongue2: What exactly, is the problem in that? :smile:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: Kinematics]
    #7457731 - 09/26/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think it's really so important for other people to worry about what is true and what is not. I find the thing that holds legitimate meaning for its believer is what is truly important, over prove this or that's not so, et cetera.

If you want to trust in science and the truths it brings to you offer you meaning, then so be it. If there are people who find meaning in the truths of things unexplained by science, then so be it as well. :tongue2: What exactly, is the problem in that? :smile:




Exactly :thumbup:


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Re: Telepathy - The Final Word [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7457734 - 09/26/07 09:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Jakob Bohme: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/mad-science/jakob-bohme/




I LOVE the esoteric Alchemy/Mysticism art like that, have many books and have seen some of Bohme's stuff....
Robert Fludd has a lot of cool shtuff~ along those lines....    :thumbup:
Mr. MiddleMan informed me about Fludd's stuff....  :smile:


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