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Telepathy on shrooms??
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I just read that post by Indigo in the perfect world forum where he mentions telepathy, and I have something I want to ask you guys... (and gals)

Have you ever found somewhat telepathic experiences while on shrooms? I'm not talking strait up communication, but where you and a friend who was also tripping were doing things you didn't have the urge to do, but the other did (as an example), or even audible voices? Maybe I'm just scizophrenic or something, but I swear I've experienced this.

I welcome any contribution to this thread, but I ask that you keep in mind that just because you yourself haven't experienced this, don't outright deny the existance based on what you've read by non-believers.



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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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Not telepathy as such..but i've become aware of the relationship that appears to exist between my own mind and the external world, and the minds of others. Not too sure how to describe it at this time.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Revelation]
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i have 2 friends who practice telepathy and believe they have a sort of mind control. infact one of them swears he can sense other people and when we're at concerts or walls eh'll say "i sense him" and he'll avoid being around them the entire time. i think its all bullshit, most of it anyways.

i think people over estimate how well we can read other people. facial expressions, tones of voice, gestures, eye contact, etc etc . i did a test where i sat with both of them and with all my will power i thought about raping thier mothers and cutting slivers of their face off with a knife .... they never even hit on it. as for the mind control ... its very easy to convince people of alot of things when said with confidence and reading thier body language. reading a person and saying the right things can get alot accomplished.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Revelation]
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i have 2 friends who practice telepathy and believe they have a sort of mind control. infact one of them swears he can sense other people and when we're at concerts or walls eh'll say "i sense him" and he'll avoid being around them the entire time. i think its all bullshit, most of it anyways.

i think people over estimate how well we can read other people. facial expressions, tones of voice, gestures, eye contact, etc etc . i did a test where i sat with both of them and with all my will power i thought about raping thier mothers and cutting slivers of their face off with a knife .... they never even hit on it. as for the mind control ... its very easy to convince people of alot of things when said with confidence and reading thier body language. reading a person and saying the right things can get alot accomplished.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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I always notice a sort of connection to other people when I am tripping. It is hard to explain but I feel it with those who are tripping with me but if a non-tripper is there I don't feel it with them nearly as much. That is why when I first started trippin and making intelligble sentences was nearly impossible, I would understand others and they would understand me but if the conversation was heard by an outsider it would sound like a bunch of nonsense rambelings.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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i have had a very very powerful telepathic experience with a friend of mine on mushrooms... i was literally inside of his head... this connection still lasts to the present day... 3 weeks after that trip i was on vacation and i was dreaming when all of the sudden my dream went black, and i heard the voice of my friend saying "ingo... i need your help... get in touch with me, please... its urgent" his voice sounded really really frightened and i woke up knowing that there was something wrong... when i returned from my vacation i found out that he was in a psychiatric hospital, but not just any psychiatric hospital... he was in the same hopsital, the same station, the same room and even the same bed my brother was in for 2 months... that completely freaked me out... and it got even better when he told me what happened... his grandfather died and he decided to do acid and 3 days later some copelandia cyanescens... and he lost it... we made a little math and his bad trip was exactly the same day, the same time i had the dream... and i was 10.000 kilometers away...

btw who is this indigo, cuz that is actually my nickname... and i have never heard of the perfect world forum...


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: In(di)go]
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A friend and I once could completely understand eachother without words. We would complete eachothers sentances even though we wernt actually speaking. Another time I thought a friend was reading my mind (but he actually wasnt) and we looked at each other and we both started to throw up, who knows


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Revelation]
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Not telepathy as such..but i've become aware of the relationship that appears to exist between my own mind and the external world, and the minds of others. Not too sure how to describe it at this time

I know exactly what you mean.  I had this same feeling last time I did mush.  I'll provide an example a little farther down in the post.

i have 2 friends who practice telepathy and believe they have a sort of mind control. infact one of them swears he can sense other people and when we're at concerts or walls eh'll say "i sense him" and he'll avoid being around them the entire time. i think its all bullshit, most of it anyways.

Well I understand where you're friend's comin' from..  I have friends who are big on energies and stuff..  I never believed it at first, but one day this guy actually showed me how to see energy, and I was hella skeptical, but after actually SEEING it I was like HOLY FUCK#%&#%*&%^$!?

i have had a very very powerful telepathic experience with a friend of mine on mushrooms... *snip* ....when i returned from my vacation i found out that he was in a psychiatric hospital....

All my life I've been able to read people fairly well  (so I've thought), and when it comes to conversation I'm usually fairly well at holding my own.  I too, have been in a psychiatric institute.  The diagnosis?  They weren't sure.  Drug induced psychosis is what they said was the cause...  (Be careful with Ketamine) ...  The night of my little 'episode' (or doomsday, as a couple of my friends like to call it), I was experiencing a sort of connection with the rest of the world so to speak, as Revelation states above, and for someone who hasn't experienced it, it's something that cannot be fully explained.  As Kemist states: i have 2 friends who practice telepathy and believe they have a sort of mind control. -- I've experienced this DIRECTLY between me and a friend, and wholy fuck was that a trip and a half.  We were sitting on his computer, and I was kind of drawing a blank as to what I was looking for.  This game he plays popped open, and I was like wtf, why did that open?!  He just simply responded "You clicked on it man!"  and I was like "Uhmm, no I didn't.." Not believing that I clicked on it, because that whole night I had not had ANY thoughts about that game, whatsoever.  The time of the game opening was kind of weird, because I kind of zoned out and just stared blankly, then all the sudden it opened.  He asked me if I was suggesting that he made me do it, and I didn't know what to say other than "Well I guess that's one possibility :smile:"  He said all that he did was "Think about wanting to play Continuum"(That's the name of the game) at the time... and boom.. I opened it.  So I toyed with this idea a little while - didn't know what to think, but I figured I might as well test the theory.  I looked over at the bong sittin' on the table while he was playin' his game, (There's more to the game below as an example for Revelation), and I kept thinking "I wanna smoke a bowl..  man it'd be nice to smoke a bowl..." etc..  after about 5 or 10 minutes he got up and grabbed the bong, brought it to the kitchen, filled it with water, and then brought it back and packed a bowl..  (He was kind of going around in circles at the time of packing it, lookin' for the chronic) - and when I asked him "What are you doing" he looked at me funny and said "I dunno really.. I don't even wanna smoke a bowl..." ..  Take it how you want, but it was definately weird.

As for Continuum - with the whole relationship that appears to exists with ones mind and the external world - while playing Continuum we were listening to streaming music over the net and it seemed to fit perfect to compliment the conversation we were having at the time.  We didn't change the radio station or anything, it was just playing throughout the whole night.  On top of that, people in the game were flying around me with weird names like "Telekenisis" and such..  it just tripped me right the fuck out.


   


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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I never had 2-way communication with anyone, but I have experience an extreme form of empathy with others not on anything around me.

Sometimes people say things in order for them to get something out of someone or something that was not directly communicated. On mushrooms, I knew what people were really saying.



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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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Not quite shrooms... but a guy I know was tripping off acid about 10 years back with a friend and apparently one of them started talking in german and the other in french or something like that (neither of them knew any languages other than english) and they could understand each other perfectly - they had a full-on conversation.... this was all observed by someone who was completely sober....

then again... who knows what you can believe these days... but there are many stories of amazing experiences whilst on psycho-active drugs....



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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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some people talk about it
other people think about it

:grin:



 


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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I've experienced this. You didn't hear that from me though.

You're fucked if the non-believers read this shit.













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Edited by Learyfan (08/19/11 10:56 PM)

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Learyfan]
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edited as per not to incriminate myself.


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Edited by nubious (10/27/02 12:32 PM)

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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relationship that appears to exist between my own mind and the external world, and the minds of others.

I know this feeling as well - Don Juan describes them as tiny white glowing fibers that connect everything in the world. Theorys like this are present in many religions also. This is a basis for the belief in a collective knowlege for the human race. It would explain a lot. Like how the human race advanced so much, a collective knowledge letting those who were more attuned to it able to learn from it.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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not telepathy, but when i trip really hard the things i think of manifest themselves to a point where it gets freaky, for example, i was watching the weather channel and was thinking thinking of something disturbing, then all of a sudden the weather channels conection starts to go bad, then i think, man thats fucked up, then the weather man will have difficulties speaking, then i thought i control this, its all good, then the channel got better and the weather guy was like, "whoa, we were messed up, but now were better." thats just one example, but it happens with people around me too, prolly just me buggin


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: CleverName]
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another example,
i was at JMU visiting a friend, he ate a little less than an eighth, i ate about 2 eighths, we went to a party. the night progressed, i was tripping balls. then there was a catfight outside and alot of peeps wanted to watch it. i went out there to see what was up, i started thinking, "i dont wanna be here" and i felt very uncomfortablr and vunerable for some reason, so i told my friend, lets go back in, but he mumbled something and walked off, so there i was on the sidewalk. i decided its time for me to take action, so i took one step back in the yard, and the other people, the crowd did too, i went forward and peole went back into the street again. everytime i would move closr indoors i heard people saying things like, "this is beat" or "nothing happening here, lets go" but when i would get closer to the street i heard the smae people saying, "this is awesome" and "hold on a sec, i want to see what happens" this might not sound too freaky, but it went on for a while, and i knew it was happening, it always does.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: CleverName]
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OH MY GOD! That happens to you too? I thought I was just trippin' hardcore.. but here's what happened to me...

I was laying in bed listening to the radio. I wasn't very tired, but I was on the verge of having a bad trip so went to lay down and chill out. It was one of those little clock radio's that I was listening to, and I thought I heard the volume go down, so I listened carefully and sure enough, it wasn't at full volume. So I went to turn it up, played with the volume control a little bit, and after cranking it up to max volume, it still wasn't very loud. I thought that's weird, so I went to grab my friend I was trippin' with and ask him if his clock radio usually does that. When I walked out of the room it got really loud again so I ran back to it to turn it down. It was REALLY weird because it was like it wouldn't happen unless I thought about it happening (manifestation of conciousness.. like you mentioned) - so I grabbed the guy I was trippin' with and showed him, and he's like "Weird. I don't know man, and it started doing it again. I felt this weird sort of 'buzz' (for lack of a better term) in my legs whenever it would go low. I don't know if this was related to it but it was just really, REALLY weird. So I started going to the beat of the music a little and it started (the volume) going up and down with the beat as well.

That's the same night I experienced telepathy.

any thoughts are welcome.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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i just had an experience i wouldnt mind sharing but first a bit of background..

a friend of mine recently had a fucking insane dose of the local ps. subaeruginosa. dosage is still not certain but definately over 60 shrooms were consumed.
the trip lasted at least 15 hours, followed by a day of hibernating, then she called me with amnesia.
i went over and was trying to help restore her memory.. makng smalltalk when i say "guess who i saw this morning.. i forget his name but..." she immediately says the guys name... but neither of us had seen the guy for at least 3 years, he lives in a town 500 kilometres away and i had never spoken to him or of him before. she then told me she see's my mother in her dreams and she tells her that my girlfriend is pregnant.... which is what a psychic told my gf one week earlier.

shit :crazy: 

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious] * 1
    #1060409 -

We have telepathic communications all the time. We just become consciously aware of them at higher levels of awareness.

That being said, yes I have telepathic experiences with others just about every time I take mushrooms. Also when sober...


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious]
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i was on shrooms and at one of my friends friends house and we were guessing her last name and i said gold....goldwater. her last name was gould


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: 1stimer]
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Yo, dig this. One time I was @ this party, and I was on LSD and my buddy was on LSD and a roll and some other shit, and he had a glowstick on a string, and he was spinning it around in the air, nothing fancy at this girl. She was all like "you're reading my mind!" and then he started going fast, and then slow and pulling in the string to make it tighter or whatever, and she was all like "oh my god!" and she had to leave the room. She was all fucked up, though. Prolly wasn't real ESP.

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Fcuerkt]
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3 grams of syrian rue (ground into powder with coffee grinder and put in about 6 gel caps) taken 15 minutes before a moderately heavy dose of mushrooms (at least an eighth) and you will have some pretty crazy telepathic-ish experiences. You'll start tripping almost exactly as if you were on ayahuasca and then you'll be launched into a wild-ass shroom trip. Give 'er a go, I think everybody should do what they can to get syrian rue (it's legal).

My friend and I were in the woods, sitting on the ground last time we took this. We were feeling a little ill, so we were both in an upright fetal position. I saw a white rectangle in my mind's eye and watched a brown tree root grow into it cell by cell, and the understanding jumped into my head that thoughts progressed in the same way. Next some people leaving crazy trails moved close and then away and back again (tracers were like when you win a game of solitaire on the computer). After tripping like this with my eyes closed, head buried in my knees, and no talking, I looked over at my friend and saw that he too had JUST lifted his head and looked at me (later we talked and found that neither of us had moved at all before that moment for about 15 minutes). We looked at eachother and the geometric jungle we were in and that "holy FUCK we're tripping!" moment occured.

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Fcuerkt]
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LOL!

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Anonymous]
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I had an experience with my girl friend before where we were laying down in my bed with her after a long evening of shrooming. I said certain things in my head and she would respond verbally.. She was half asleep and just wanted to go to sleep but I was too awake and had my mind just running and running. I then would tell her "how did you know what I was saying or going to say if I never mentioned anything to you?" She would just go back to sleep and ignore the question.. So the next day, I asked the same question and she would tell me that she didn't remember.. Also this one time I was on shrooms with my friends and we were biking and I couldn't yell so in my mind I told one of them "slow down, stop and wait up for me." She actually stopped and said "ok." I'm not quite sure how it works but telepathy does work at least on my part. So far I haven't heard anyone else voice in my head so maybe their chanels are blocked or something..


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: In(di)go]
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Yes I've had this happen too.

One time I got the 'message' to call my grandma.



As I talked to her, she lapsed into a stroke.

I then called my uncle, who rescued her to the hospital.

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: SigSaur99] * 1
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Damn homie, you just bumped a 17 year old thread, with a last post of 8 years ago, lol.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
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mushroom messages from the past, several posters stopped, glad the echo came back


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: redgreenvines] * 1
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This thread is extremely interesting. I'm glad it was bumped. Right on cue! :sunny:


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 1
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Telepathine = ayahuasca


ayahuasca = Contains DMT
Mushrooms = Contains 4-HO-DMT

Mushrooms = Telepathy Dream Fruit <3 :wink:

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: SigSaur99]
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My friend and I were able to communicate telepathically during a heavy LSD trip together
Not to heavy to where we couldnt tell what room we were in type stuff
And I can tell yo Igor a fact we weren’t even looking at each other
We would like here things we were saying and would then converse if we had both thought and said the same stuff
And ya
Shit was crazy

Telepathy is a function of Psychedelia for a lot of people
Not just a shroom thing tho

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Tripsten]
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It seems to me that "telepathy" on psychedelics is simply empathy and/or intuition made much more visceral by the psychedelic effects. Human beings are social creatures, and understanding what other humans are thinking is a very big part of that. In that sense, we use "telepathy" every single day without realizing it, it just takes a psychedelic to really bring this thought process to the forefront of our consciousness so that we can appreciate how crazy it is.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: turbulentflow] * 1
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I wonder if any "telepathy" experienced in psychs is just the realization that there is ultimately no separation between inner and outer? You just start to become more "in tune" with "the universe" - which is actually a projection of infinite consciousness experiencing itself through an infinite number of finite avenues?

:bongload:


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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That’s what I always thought ^^^
My friend and I agreed that all minds are connected in the way we experienced and even communicating at all times ( which for us explained phenomena like “vibe” )
But that our awareness enhanced on the psych allowed us a glimpse at it

Edited by Tripsten (10/15/19 12:28 PM)

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: nubious] * 2
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I have experienced what researcher Gertrude Schmeidler called "ring-like-a-bell-in-the-head" telepathy on 8 occasions. The last of these was in 1980 while waiting for a prof to show up for an evening class in statistics at the University of Maryland. I was not on a psychedelic.

On 3 occasions I was able to corroborate what I 'heard' in my mind in the voices of my friends when I was on LSD. On a third occasion I desisted from repeating back what I 'heard' because on the first occasion I did this my disclosure was met with jaw-dropping, wide-eyed horror! The other time I repeated back what I 'heard' I was unaccustomed to the difference from actual hearing (in telepathy the ears seem muffled, which is to say the inner ear is not vibrating from sound waves). He too turned around (he was walking in front of me) wide-eyed and horrified. He was my college roomy of 3 years and he slightly stammered when he said to me "I-I didn't SAY that, I thought that!" We had just been invited into some guy's dorm room for something, and my roommate felt a weird vibe and I apparently heard the thought "I want to get out of here."

The other fellow, a former high school friend, and I were having a disagreement in a house we were renting about something (circa 1973) and I 'heard' him say "I'm right and I know it." I repeated it back to him and that was when he registered horror, a horror of personal violation and the fear that I had control over this ability. The second time this happened when I desisted repeating it back escapes my memory but I read it recently in a journal I kept. It was another banal thought but I 'heard' it in mind.

On other occasions including the first one I alluded to were from strangers. A couple of events occurred minutes apart from a tall lanky guy standing right behind me at a Grateful Dead show in NJ. I 'heard' "Look at the build on this guy," and I automatically turned around to see this tall skinny guy looking at a muscular mesomorphic guy standing to my right. Ne NEVER would've vocalized that! Then I took out a hash pipe and lit it up and I 'heard' "How about a hit off that pipe?" I i recognized the telepathy but ignored it (one's pipe tended to get passed around an could disappear in such a crowd. Yeah, a bit selfish).

The one at the University was a girl I was looking at, a classmate. She was Indian and had a Hindu name. Out in the hallway before the prof showed up she must have seen me checking her out when I 'heard' "Am I not desirable?" in her sing-song accent. I was not approaching her because I was already engaged, my fiancee was in Florida and I was in Maryland. That was the last event in 1980, the others all took place from 1973. I have not included a few here but I wanted to corroborate that this phenomenon does occur on psychedelics and off. I have no history of mental illness and these events took place during a phase of Yoga discipline as well as heavy psychedelic use in my early 20s. In Yoga telepathy is a known siddhi or ability.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I think it's extremely normal to be very well synched with another person on psychedelics, or in love, something similar with both.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Emotional intersubjectivity is fairly common on good trips. Sometimes, as Ram Dass once related, someone speaks on a very high psychedelic trip with others and someone else asks if [s]he spoke or was it someone else. Mental telepathy is one of those Psi-functions and yogic siddhis which are in my unprovable experience quite real. Why the words appear in mind in the voice of the individual is a mystery too. I'm not even sure how I sound to myself anymore and it is always weird hearing an old recording of my voice (not to mention the content and stiffness I used to have)


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I've noticed after a certain point with females, intersubjectivity occurs. Finishing thoughts, ideas, sentences, thinking the same thing in the same way at the same time, etc. Fairly certain sex has a lot to do with "energy" transfer, irregardless of "fluid exchange", lol. :sunny:

I've had incredible psychic episodes in such scenarios. I swear once the root chakrah is activated all the others kick into gear. I have no proof this is the case, however! :sunny:


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Loaded Shaman] * 2
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Chakras are ganglionic centers that have correlates to very specific human motives. They are all operational just as those ganglionic centers are always operational. It's just that until you have a close call with death and your self-preservation motive is particularly activated. Not to be gross but your root or Muladhara chakra opens fully, your corresponding anal sphincter also opens fully and you shit yourself. The Root Center is often both Muladhara and Svadhisthana chakas combined into an anal-genital center as it is in Vajrayana Buddhist Yoga (which is the Freudian motivational domain and makes sense to combine them as they'e both sexualized). We also piss ourselves when threatened, but if you think about it, it is a matter of degree of fear and threat. We'll piss ourselves before we shit ourselves. The scatological center is close to death (Thanatos, Freud's 'death-instinct') since feces is composed of dead plants and/or animals.

Be married for 20+ years and you both think the same thoughts simultaneously while one of you articulates it. That is one level of intersubjectivity but it is not "ring-like-a-bell-in-the-head" telepathy 'heard' in another's voice without vocal words being uttered.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Chakras are ganglionic centers that have correlates to very specific human motives. They are all operational just as those ganglionic centers are always operational. It's just that until you have a close call with death and your self-preservation motive is particularly activated. Not to be gross but your root or Muladhara chakra opens fully, your corresponding anal sphincter also opens fully and you shit yourself. The Root Center is often both Muladhara and Svadhisthana chakas combined into an anal-genital center as it is in Vajrayana Buddhist Yoga (which is the Freudian motivational domain and makes sense to combine them as they'e both sexualized). We also piss ourselves when threatened, but if you think about it, it is a matter of degree of fear and threat. We'll piss ourselves before we shit ourselves. The scatological center is close to death (Thanatos, Freud's 'death-instinct') since feces is composed of dead plants and/or animals.

Be married for 20+ years and you both think the same thoughts simultaneously while one of you articulates it. That is one level of intersubjectivity but it is not "ring-like-a-bell-in-the-head" telepathy 'heard' in another's voice without vocal words being uttered.


Not gross at all, Markos - makes perfect sense. Very well said as usual! :sunny:


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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Well thanks Loaded Shaman. I've been inundated on Quora by all manner of inane questions about "blocked chakras." I even saw a neon sign in the window of a 'psychic advisor' that said "chakras unblocked." Just New Age bullshit. I never saw anything beyond 3 granthis ('knots') at the Muladhara, Manipura and Ajna chakras which were barriers to the rising of the Kundalini-Shakti through the central Sushumna channel. Frankly, bullshit just profanes the truth and more deception and dishonesty proliferate.

Yeah, there might well be an astral body (Sukshma sarira) just as Alex Gray depicts them in his painting Theologue, but they are regions of energetic activity where psychical and cosmic forces interphase (as Lama Govinda put it). But people become unhinged (I know, I've been there). Even in the fictional Casteñeda books, a Man of Knowledge isn't continually "seeing" on the astral plane. People appear as people when they aren't been 'seen' as "luminous eggs" with the "Gap" at the place of the navel (Manipura chakra).

Just to use that center, if one is 'blocked' one is not asserting oneself sufficiently. Or one is fearful and needs to learn some martial art and elicit power (the Ki is the Japanese form of Chinese Chi/Qi a couple of fingers distance below the actual navel). The Indo-European root for our English word Manipulate derives from the Manipu-ra. The astral is also called the subtle plane because it is not obvious to the senses (but might be the vehicle for OOBEs/astral projections). Meanwhile, we need to live in all of the levels of our awareness or we appear to be catatonic or maybe we just die. :shrug:




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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 2
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I find the whole "LORE" of chakras too limiting, while Alex Grey paintings are closer to what arises naturally. I say this after having been immersed - after having studied and practiced Tibetan meditation with a serious dude called Namgyal Rinpoche back in the late 60's.

In my experience, the interpretation of "energy flow blockages" between chakras is not a fair depiction of the problems we have: the chakras are experiential artifacts, not causative forms, so when you feel them in any way, or see them, you are seeing the result of something else - usually from a reflective or absorptive state of mind (like alex grey on drugs or some ancient yogi).

When a chakra is blocked it means that your biologic body holds some tension or illness, and usually that your mind is fighting with some memory that pertains to that part of your body - i.e. a persisting trauma is associated with an area of the body. The mind is blocking on the issue, and the body is what the mind is using to grasp the memory and generate feedback, this is not about wiring or plumbing or some esoteric flowing at all, however when tension prevails, blood circulation will be slowed down and the body will create weakness in the tensed area after a while of this.

The result appears similar to a psychic flow being blocked but it is not a flow of cosmic energies in the body, but a blockage of mental ideation around the chakra, and a resulting body traffic jam like a 6 lane highway under construction with one lane open. Blood flow constriction leads to muscle fatigue + toxin accumulation + lack of oxygen -> this is conceptually about "Prana" aka breath 'energy' - the concepts are related, but simplified for people who are not able to understand the body's biology, and these ideas are also animated because when we think biology, we get too intellectual and it really is very dynamic: breathing, muscle flexing, joints bending and rotating, guts squishing food ,liquids, and shit...

Anectdote:
My grown daughter was seeing a healer 3 years back for some issues and one day she asked me to drop her off at this healer, and I met the woman.
Well my feeling was she was earnest enough and my daughter really gained benefits from her massage.
I did not feel like criticizing the whole chakra stuff, as it seemed to help my daughter see how she was holding pain, and IMO working with symptoms can get you over an impasse while the bigger causes can be dealt with over time, and it can even lead directly to the associative causes of the tension.

Oddly the healer told my daughter afterwards in private that she could see that "your fathers chakras are very opened and well balanced, in fact I have never seen anyone with more balanced chakras!"

Hell! I get sore joints from the weather changing and fret over things same as anyone else. Still I think she was probably a good healer, and I guessed she judged my chakras by how I was standing sitting and moving.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Never believed in chakras cause the idea of the pictures with the colored circles seemed ridiculous to me
But your explanation is actually quite interesting
Good share , good share
Got somethifn to think about now

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
I find the whole "LORE" of chakras too limiting, while Alex Grey paintings are closer to what arises naturally. I say this after having been immersed - after having studied and practiced Tibetan meditation with a serious dude called Namgyal Rinpoche back in the late 60's.

In my experience, the interpretation of "energy flow blockages" between chakras is not a fair depiction of the problems we have: the chakras are experiential artifacts, not causative forms, so when you feel them in any way, or see them, you are seeing the result of something else - usually from a reflective or absorptive state of mind (like alex grey on drugs or some ancient yogi).

When a chakra is blocked it means that your biologic body holds some tension or illness, and usually that your mind is fighting with some memory that pertains to that part of your body - i.e. a persisting trauma is associated with an area of the body. The mind is blocking on the issue, and the body is what the mind is using to grasp the memory and generate feedback, this is not about wiring or plumbing or some esoteric flowing at all, however when tension prevails, blood circulation will be slowed down and the body will create weakness in the tensed area after a while of this.

The result appears similar to a psychic flow being blocked but it is not a flow of cosmic energies in the body, but a blockage of mental ideation around the chakra, and a resulting body traffic jam like a 6 lane highway under construction with one lane open. Blood flow constriction leads to muscle fatigue + toxin accumulation + lack of oxygen -> this is conceptually about "Prana" aka breath 'energy' - the concepts are related, but simplified for people who are not able to understand the body's biology, and these ideas are also animated because when we think biology, we get too intellectual and it really is very dynamic: breathing, muscle flexing, joints bending and rotating, guts squishing food ,liquids, and shit...

Anectdote:
My grown daughter was seeing a healer 3 years back for some issues and one day she asked me to drop her off at this healer, and I met the woman.
Well my feeling was she was earnest enough and my daughter really gained benefits from her massage.
I did not feel like criticizing the whole chakra stuff, as it seemed to help my daughter see how she was holding pain, and IMO working with symptoms can get you over an impasse while the bigger causes can be dealt with over time, and it can even lead directly to the associative causes of the tension.

Oddly the healer told my daughter afterwards in private that she could see that "your fathers chakras are very opened and well balanced, in fact I have never seen anyone with more balanced chakras!"

Hell! I get sore joints from the weather changing and fret over things same as anyone else. Still I think she was probably a good healer, and I guessed she judged my chakras by how I was standing sitting and moving.

Beautifully articulated.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Your's is a reasonable appraisal of chakras, and I'm happy that your chakras are balanced but I could've told you the same from here and I'm not clairvoyant. But, you remain pre-eminently balanced on a site where we have seen a sad plethora of instability. :sad:


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Your's is a reasonable appraisal of chakras, and I'm happy that your chakras are balanced but I could've told you the same from here and I'm not clairvoyant. But, you remain pre-eminently balanced on a site where we have seen a sad plethora of instability. :sad:


thanks M, however, it's an act - not a state; I am constantly falling and balancing, so - a balancing act.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
I find the whole "LORE" of chakras too limiting, while Alex Grey paintings are closer to what arises naturally. I say this after having been immersed - after having studied and practiced Tibetan meditation with a serious dude called Namgyal Rinpoche back in the late 60's.

In my experience, the interpretation of "energy flow blockages" between chakras is not a fair depiction of the problems we have: the chakras are experiential artifacts, not causative forms, so when you feel them in any way, or see them, you are seeing the result of something else - usually from a reflective or absorptive state of mind (like alex grey on drugs or some ancient yogi).

When a chakra is blocked it means that your biologic body holds some tension or illness, and usually that your mind is fighting with some memory that pertains to that part of your body - i.e. a persisting trauma is associated with an area of the body. The mind is blocking on the issue, and the body is what the mind is using to grasp the memory and generate feedback, this is not about wiring or plumbing or some esoteric flowing at all, however when tension prevails, blood circulation will be slowed down and the body will create weakness in the tensed area after a while of this.

The result appears similar to a psychic flow being blocked but it is not a flow of cosmic energies in the body, but a blockage of mental ideation around the chakra, and a resulting body traffic jam like a 6 lane highway under construction with one lane open. Blood flow constriction leads to muscle fatigue + toxin accumulation + lack of oxygen -> this is conceptually about "Prana" aka breath 'energy' - the concepts are related, but simplified for people who are not able to understand the body's biology, and these ideas are also animated because when we think biology, we get too intellectual and it really is very dynamic: breathing, muscle flexing, joints bending and rotating, guts squishing food ,liquids, and shit...

Anectdote:
My grown daughter was seeing a healer 3 years back for some issues and one day she asked me to drop her off at this healer, and I met the woman.
Well my feeling was she was earnest enough and my daughter really gained benefits from her massage.
I did not feel like criticizing the whole chakra stuff, as it seemed to help my daughter see how she was holding pain, and IMO working with symptoms can get you over an impasse while the bigger causes can be dealt with over time, and it can even lead directly to the associative causes of the tension.

Oddly the healer told my daughter afterwards in private that she could see that "your fathers chakras are very opened and well balanced, in fact I have never seen anyone with more balanced chakras!"

Hell! I get sore joints from the weather changing and fret over things same as anyone else. Still I think she was probably a good healer, and I guessed she judged my chakras by how I was standing sitting and moving.


:kenthumbup:

Killer post.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Loaded Shaman]
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hey thank you guys, typing takes time, but sometimes it's worth it.


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I felt all of my chakras open up and burn out after a profoundly damaging psychic event. It felt to me as physical as breaking your own arm would although I have no way to prove anything. My speculation is that they provide a kind of connection between the physical world of spirit and the body, and that the brain mostly provides a form of mediation there. I think it is a more minor organ than most people think or science realises.

I have also felt the psychic chakras in the subtle energy body and various impressions from them, since that burn out. Which felt exclusively mental, I did not have the physical feelings of pain and overload in the centres at that time nor did the emotions related to them feel composed of a "living spirit" in the same way. I suppose I would think of these as brain related forms of chakras.

Just my own experience take or leave it, I'm sure there's plenty of woo woo around the subject of chakras. :shrug:


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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Grapefruit]
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Interesting
By connection between spiritual and physical
Would you also possibly mean catalyst ?

Like “Chakra” systems being an “antenna” of sorts for the “soul”

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Tripsten]
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Yeah exactly, like antennas, that's my guess based on my (very bizarre) experiences anyway.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

Edited by Grapefruit (10/23/19 08:30 PM)

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Grapefruit]
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No no that’s dope and would make TONS of sense

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Re: Telepathy on shrooms?? [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
I felt all of my chakras open up and burn out after a profoundly damaging psychic event. It felt to me as physical as breaking your own arm would although I have no way to prove anything. My speculation is that they provide a kind of connection between the physical world of spirit and the body, and that the brain mostly provides a form of mediation there. I think it is a more minor organ than most people think or science realises.

I have also felt the psychic chakras in the subtle energy body and various impressions from them, since that burn out. Which felt exclusively mental, I did not have the physical feelings of pain and overload in the centres at that time nor did the emotions related to them feel composed of a "living spirit" in the same way. I suppose I would think of these as brain related forms of chakras.

Just my own experience take or leave it, I'm sure there's plenty of woo woo around the subject of chakras. :shrug:


:strokebeard:

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