MushmanTheManic said:

Doesn't matter.
If God isn't beyond human experience then God should be empirically verifiable.

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MushmanTheManic said:

Doesn't matter.
If God isn't beyond human experience then God should be empirically verifiable.

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MushmanTheManic said:

Knowing God isn't beyond the human experience at all.

Prove it to us, then.
Take a picture of God.

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Doesn't matter.
If God isn't beyond human experience then God should be empirically verifiable.

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mr_kite said:

My original post was total bulshit by the way, just to see what would come out of it. I have to say I'm as astonished as I hoped i'd be 
Even if you read the first post, did you not notice it didn't make sense at all? It WAS BULLSHIT? Or do you not need to make sense if you mention God?

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Peace.

Deviate said:

but this "God" can be known through experience.

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i think you are mistaken in assuming that because  a concept has no use to you, it is useless for everyone.

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I state that it is useless in terms of communication with others.


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God can be known through experience.... known as what?

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I state that it is useless in terms of communication with others.

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Deviate said:

as God? i dont see what you're asking.

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and i state that you are wrong, it is useful.

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It isn't useful to the extent that it is a term that does not represent an explicable concept. One cannot explain God, and there is much ambiguity that results from that inability.

There might be an iota or two of usefulness in using the phrase, but not enough for it to be deemed effective in conveying any given idea.


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Robert Anton Wilson said:

I distinguish between information, all that humans can check by experience, as distinct from noise, those "things" [or non-things, or nothings] that they can only make noises or chatter about.

Examples: {A} I can say "If you open that box on the table, you will find three chocolates inside." Going to the box and opening it, in the sensory-sensual continuum, will quickly confirm or refute my statement, because you will inevitably find [1] less than three chocolates, or perhaps none at all, [2] exactly three chocolates, or [3] more than three chocolates. Results [1] and [3] refute my statement; [2] confirms it.

But {b} I might also say "Opening God for similar investigation, you will find three persons inside," as in fact Romish Magick does say. No investigation of the sensory-sensual manifold can ever confirm or refute this. Scientific philosophers generally describe such statements [about things beyond conformation or refutation] as "meaningless". Following Korzybski, I call them noise, and I venture that we cannot fathom our situation in space-time if we habitually confuse ourselves by mixing type [A] statments, informaiton, with type {b} statements, noise. We may never achieve Total Clarity [short of infinity] but we should at least have the ability to distinguish between what humans can experience and what they can only blather about.

Distinguishing between these two types of statements seems necessary for sanity and survival, because all forms of illusion, delusion, mob hysteria, hallucination etc., dogma, bigotry, "madness," intolerance etc. "idealism," ideology, idiocy, obsession etc. depend upon confusing them.

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If God can be known as God, then what is God?

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It isn't useful to the extent that it is a term that does not represent an explicable concept. One cannot explain God, and there is much ambiguity that results from that inability.

There might be an iota or two of usefulness in using the phrase, but not enough for it to be deemed effective in conveying any given idea.

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I cannot experience your dreams!

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We may never achieve Total Clarity [short of infinity] but we should at least have the ability to distinguish between what humans can experience and what they can only blather about.

Distinguishing between these two types of statements seems necessary for sanity and survival, because all forms of illusion, delusion, mob hysteria, hallucination etc., dogma, bigotry, "madness," intolerance etc. "idealism," ideology, idiocy, obsession etc. depend upon confusing them.

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