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InvisibleSwami
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Voice of God
    #3446355 - 12/04/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Some posters here tell quaint anecdotes about how God guided them in their life by some form of communication.

Many individuals and leaders of church and state do horrid things because "God told them to." If I am to give all groups of people equal credence, then God must be your own self giving you permission to do what you want.

Is the "Son of Sam" pyschotic or a true believer? Do we call him psychotic because he killed people? If that is the metric, what about Bush?

As there is NO WAY to validate a communique with God except a person's STRONG FEELING (and everybody has those), I contend that it is ALL imagination.


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Re: Voice of God [Re: Swami]
    #3446402 - 12/04/04 06:30 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

"if it was, was it?"
-anonymous :P


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Re: Voice of God [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3446418 - 12/04/04 06:34 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

"Son of Sam" pyschotic or a true believer?"

During an interview with Mr. Berkowitz (Son of Sam) by FBI profiler John Douglas it was admitted that the Son of Sam story was fabricated to get a lighter sentance. So he was neither.


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: Voice of God [Re: question_for_joo]
    #3446449 - 12/04/04 06:41 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

SWAMI,
As I have already said your complete rejection of God does not allow you to understand such things.

Your comparison of evil people who do evil things and say they talk to God proves nothing. And it tells me that "as per norm with you". You only look at one side of the coin. There are many great things that happen as a result of the direction of God. Far more than evil

You are correct there is no way for me to validate that God gives me direction. If you have been around my entire life and been witness to where I have been, that would be my only said Proof. My life and the works therein are proof to many around me.

While you continue to preach that GOD is nothing more than a figment of imagination. A delusional character brought on by one own weakness to control his own life.

You can never be open to the proof you seek.

God is right behind the door but you must open it.

You refuse and will only be able to understand things that you understand.

Not rocket science :grin:

But I still like you very much and someday we may meet and discuss these things over tea


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Edited by Fucknuckle (12/04/04 07:02 PM)


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Invisiblelooner2
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Re: Voice of God [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3446579 - 12/04/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

So in order to get past the irrational belief in god, one must believe in god, so he can explain why it is not irrational to believe in him. Sounds excellent.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Voice of God [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3446589 - 12/04/04 07:10 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

As I have already said your complete rejection of God does not allow you to understand such things.
I was a strong believer BEFORE I was a disbeliever, so that theory goes right out the window.

Your comparison of evil people who do evil things and say they talk to God proves nothing.
No more nor less than those who do good things in the name of God.

You are correct there is no way for me to validate that God gives me direction.
I am usually correct. :smile:

If you have been around my entire life and been witness to where I have been, that would be my only said Proof. My life and the works therein are proof to many around me.
Many people do good things and have turned their life around without any mention of God.

While you continue to preach that GOD is nothing more than a figment of imagination. A delusional character brought on by one own weakness to control his own life.
Without any form of discernment, no direct experience, no guidance, no answers to prayers and more importantly, no appreciable difference in the behaviours of believers vs. non-believers, there is not a single reason to believe. This is not so much preaching as a call to back up what you say.

You can never be open to the proof you seek.
Nice paradox.

God is right behind the door but you must open it.
*Swami goes to nonexistent door and finds nothing behind it.*

You will only be able to understand things that you understand.
Eh? Can you understand things that you cannot understand?

Not rocket science.
Not any kind of science at all. 

But I still like you very much and someday we may meet and discuss these things over tea
That is nice, but why the "but"? None of my friendships are predicated on agreement.


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: Voice of God [Re: looner2]
    #3446609 - 12/04/04 07:15 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

That is completely a weak argument.

If one was to take the honest approach and seek God. To really deep down want to know him. Then when God shows you he is in fact real.

Why would he try to explain that it is irrational not to believe in him ?

Once you see a rainbow it does not have to convince you that is was irrational to think it never existed.

Once you see a rainbow you know that it is real.

Once you have been introduced to God you know what is real.


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: Voice of God [Re: Swami]
    #3446628 - 12/04/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

I see that you are very good at shooting down things which you have not mastered

And the fact that you think you are correct most of the time shows what little you really know.

I have not claimed to be your friend. I claimed to like you ,nothing more

We have agreed that such things are not Science :thumbup:


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Re: Voice of God [Re: Swami]
    #3446876 - 12/04/04 08:12 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Swami i respect you GR8ly, i really do. For me it's all about accepting the inner change my Lord Jesus Christ has made in my life. I guess the biggest impediment in my taking so long was in my having 2 prototypical born again brothers and having God himself point out their logistical discrepencies to me(ie: disobeying the commandment of:"Thou shalt honour thy mother and father"(and subsequently THEIR wishes) and then going right ahead and having my parent's will changed at THEIR discretion while totally ignoring God's commandments)and yet at the same time CLAIMING to be true Christians.

No where in the Bible that I know of does it instruct me to Love and value (supposed) Christians over non Christians. For me personally the Love goes out to everyone here, there and everywhere, shine on Bro  :sun: :heart: :sun: :thumbup: :thumbup: :smile:


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InvisibleFucknuckle
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Re: Voice of God [Re: FreakQlibrium]
    #3446929 - 12/04/04 08:21 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

I am beginning to understand Swami.

Unless he has the upper hand and in fact shown as correct, he would rather not participate. Makes his statements and when presented with a thought that he can not win over he shuts up.

Ego has been the destruction of many men. Ego Crucifixion requires a certain amount of admittance of being wrong. And in 8 months I have yet to see one post where he does this. Of course I have not seen all of his posts.

I have not know him long enough to know for sure but this is what I think.

Not that anyone asked but he has invited my thoughts with this thread.


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Re: Voice of God [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3447317 - 12/04/04 09:43 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Perhaps It is illusory imagination, but if you stick with it and develope it, it becomes great, so great that the immensity of its greatness proves the immensity of its existense; things of such greatness cannot arise out of nothing...or rather, they can arise precisely out of nothingness--'imaginary-ness'.


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Re: Voice of God [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3447337 - 12/04/04 09:49 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

My mind can not fully grasp what you have said.

I am not that smart

He tucks his head under his wing and runs :lol:


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Re: Voice of God [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3447356 - 12/04/04 09:53 PM (12 years, 7 days ago)

God commanded me to post in this thread to get my post count up.

I've grown up with way too many freaky catholics. When something good happens they say its because of god, or god told them to do it. When something bad happens it was satan. They're just denying responsibility for their own actions.


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Re: Voice of God [Re: looner2]
    #3448403 - 12/05/04 02:04 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

So in order to get past the irrational belief in god, one must believe in god, so he can explain why it is not irrational to believe in him.

God spoke to me; he told me not to believe in him. :tongue:

Now what? :tongue:


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Re: Voice of God [Re: Diploid]
    #3448453 - 12/05/04 02:22 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

What's the scientific term for when somebody tells themself something that is not true, continues telling themselves this thing that is not true, until finally they believe that it IS true? It was on the tip of my tongue a minute ago, but now it's gone.

Anyways, religion and beliefs in "god" is nothing more than this. I know that when I was a little kid and I was told of "god" and religion I was skeptical. It didn't make sense to me, no matter what way I looked at it. Some children aren't that fortunate, and they fall prey to the lies of religion. So when these children are told of "god", they accept it. Now these lies are repeated and repeated throughout their life span and they are soon convinced that these lies are, in fact, reality. Since these lies have now become reality for this person, the immagination sets to work "exploring" this reality. Everyone knows the immagination is a very powerful thing, so the person is quickly entangled in their false reality. It is very hard to break someone free from their false reality, and awaken them to the truthful reality.


Edited by DNKYD (12/05/04 02:22 AM)


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Re: Voice of God [Re: DNKYD]
    #3448662 - 12/05/04 04:00 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

I believe God is very real, it is a word spelled G O D, what the word represents inside each individuals mind is what is important, and from what I know of christian beliefs about God is that he is as far as the left is from the right, he is awesome, he is unfathomable, it is impossible to know God because our puny brains are incapable, thus a relationship with God is that of constant learning, learning that will never end as long as you live. So for a person to argue over Gods existence, or the existence of there own relationship with him is pointless, to argue against his existence is equally pointless, what point could possibly be made, only that you do not fully understand. I admire anyone who has truly devoted there life to constant learning, especially when they are attempting to learn the unlearnable. That basically is my religion, I think belonging to an single organized religion only limits and impedes that learning process, there is good and bad in all things, religions included, you could say Gods hand is visible in all of them as is mans corruption of it.


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Re: Voice of God [Re: Diploid]
    #3448716 - 12/05/04 04:24 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Same here. Pretty shitty ey? :smile:


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Re: Voice of God [Re: DNKYD]
    #3448775 - 12/05/04 04:47 AM (12 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

DNKYD said:
What's the scientific term for when somebody tells themself something that is not true, continues telling themselves this thing that is not true, until finally they believe that it IS true?




Delusion? :wink: :lol:

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Re: Voice of God [Re: Swami]
    #3449077 - 12/05/04 09:28 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

I can't see how you people don't see that life has a source.


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Re: Voice of God [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #3449086 - 12/05/04 09:39 AM (12 years, 6 days ago)

""I can't see how you people don't see that life has a source.""

life is a source? :P


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