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From athiest to christian...
    #2215492 - 01/02/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

A couple of months back an experience happened to my cousin who was an athiest.
I'd like to share... I'm keeping it short too. :smile:

My cousin B kept saying, "If there is a God, I want to see proof." Later on that night, he picked something up blowing around outside in someones yard.. it was a card explaining why you need to get saved and how God loves you. I told him, "Theres your sign right there!" he shrugged it off as coincidence.

That night, we were in my room and he was asking me if God was real why doesn't he do stuff like he did in the Bible back in the old days...

As he finished that sentence, a very bright light shone in my window and filled up my whole room. (Keep in mind this is at 1:00 A.M at night.)

My room is about 300 yards away from the road, because we live far out in the country. He wanted me to go look out the window to see what it was, but for some reason I was very scared to look out, but never have been before.

After I stepped back from the window, my cell phone started lighting up like crazy, although no one was calling me. As I started to lay down in bed, I felt an intense euphoric-loving tingly sensation spreading all over my body (Almost an LSD-like feeling). It was so intense I had to lay down. All the sudden emotion spread over me and I began crying. I lost sense of time for a while, and when I cam back I said, "B, did you feel that?". He said, "Yeah, It was God. I know it." Once those feelings left I we both got very scared, like once God left we were back in the same evil world..

After that, when we got up to go get a drink, we both felt very lethargic..

My cousin is now a believer...  :sun: :cool:


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215513 - 01/02/04 07:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Please tell me he doesn't now believe that the world is only 10,000 years old or that the dinosaurs perished in the great flood.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215519 - 01/02/04 07:42 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think people will see "signs" when they're looking for them.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Strumpling]
    #2215529 - 01/02/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I wasn't looking for a sign.. but saw one... God is just to evident to ingnore for me..


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215543 - 01/02/04 07:58 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What is God? I think you'd have to define what God is before you claim that he/she/it is "evident."


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215552 - 01/02/04 08:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

sounds like rasta


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2215555 - 01/02/04 08:03 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

God is the being that created everything, and governs everything.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215570 - 01/02/04 08:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sorry but that's way too vague of an answer. We don't know that anything created everything, and we don't know that there's anything governing anything either.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215573 - 01/02/04 08:15 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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ledzepln86 said:
God is the being that created everything, and governs everything.



Sounds a little vague. I mean, I'm pretty sure my parents created me, so what does God have to do with that? And what do you mean he governs everything? Arnold Schwarzenegger is governing the state I'm in. My brain governs my body. In fact, it seems to me like most things you see are created and/or governed by something other than God, unless you believe that everything is God.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: silversoul7]
    #2215584 - 01/02/04 08:20 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"unless you believe that everything is God."

Yeah, in which case why call it God? Why not just call it everything or existence..

I think when people label "everything" or "all" or "existence" as "GOD," they know damn well that they're not referring to the conventional meaning of the word - I think they just want to fit in and be able to say "Thank GOD!" even though they're thanking something completely different than many others who would say the same thing


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Strumpling]
    #2215593 - 01/02/04 08:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I am of that belief, but I believe there's more to it than that. It's just that I have trouble putting the concept into words, so I call it "God" for the sake of convenience.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215597 - 01/02/04 08:30 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

As he finished that sentence, a very bright light shone in my window and filled up my whole room.

God is a police helicopter with a searchlight?


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Swami]
    #2215600 - 01/02/04 08:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

and to follow up Swami:

"He wanted me to go look out the window to see what it was, but for some reason I was very scared to look out, but never have been before."

"But never have before.." hmm...... so bright lights shine into your room often, but you're just usually able to look out the window and see where its coming from. This time you didn't want to because if you did you'd see it wasn't God?

edit: sorry if it sounds like I'm picking on you.... I just find religion and "God" to be strange preoccupations - stranger, even, than mushrooms, which we KNOW exist. I'll probably leave this thread unless I'm addressed


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Edited by Strumpling (01/02/04 08:37 PM)


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2215621 - 01/02/04 08:49 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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I was very scared to look out




If you were scared then you didn't think it was divine when it was happening. There was a logical explanation for this and afterwards you convinced yourself. Why not look and find confirmation?


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2215626 - 01/02/04 08:51 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

because that would have destroyed it...

lol sorry to return but this is like one time when I was laying in bed late at night, and for some reason I convinced myself that there were aliens standing in my room.

I didn't look. I was paralyzed.. I didn't want to look because this game was too fun! Eventually when I checked there was nothing there, so the game was over and I fell asleep bored.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Strumpling]
    #2215840 - 01/02/04 11:31 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No they WERE there. They just got tired of waiting for you to look at them, so they left. You think aliens don't have a life and have nothing better to do?


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Swami]
    #2215876 - 01/03/04 12:04 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

"If you were scared then you didn't think it was divine when it was happening"

um.... SAY WHAT?! you dont think divine experiences are scary? Weather its an acid trip, an out of body experience or a touch of divine prescence i dont think any divine/supernatural experience is anything less than terrifying, at least in some respects.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: PHARMAKOS]
    #2216267 - 01/03/04 06:11 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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um.... SAY WHAT?! you dont think divine experiences are scary? Weather its an acid trip, an out of body experience or a touch of divine prescence i dont think any divine/supernatural experience is anything less than terrifying, at least in some respects.




Ignoring the fact that you are equating a divine prescence with a cid trip, why would God's prescense be terrifying? How about positive and life affirming?


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: SpecialEd]
    #2216452 - 01/03/04 11:24 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:grin: I love the debates that go on in this forum.

Everything is coincidence you know.  There is a chance for anything to happen at any given moment!


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: daba]
    #2216465 - 01/03/04 11:42 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Everything is coincidence you know.

I beg to differ! Everything is most definately not coincidence! Everything follows a path, according to Cause and Effect.

This moment could not have happened differently. There is a reason for its being.


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That there's something wrong with the world.
You don't know what it is, but it's there....
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Driving you mad.


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