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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: chodamunky]
    #2220034 - 01/05/04 09:08 AM (18 years, 25 days ago)

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What happened before you swung out your elbow?




Well, I was posting, thinking about what I was saying, I felt the urge to do something that would be unexpected from the outside perspective, so I made the choice to take my elbow and fling it outwards...

I made the choice. But it was my prior choices that brought me to make this choice. If my thoughts hadn't followed the exact path that they did, I probably would have never have done it....

I'm not saying that we don't have choice. However, whatever we choose happened because of what happened before it...
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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2220105 - 01/05/04 09:33 AM (18 years, 25 days ago)

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Don't you think the allmighty god who created and governs all of life on earth has better things to do besides shine a light in your window and call you on your cell?




Everyone is special in the eyes of God. There is a reason he wanted to show himself to my cousin, and only God knows what that is.  :cool:


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2223022 - 01/06/04 02:10 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

ok, if I understand you correctly what you are saying is this: I am driving my car and I stop at a four-way intersection. I now have now have 3 choices, turn left, turn right, or go straight. But, the only reason I have these three choices is because earlier I made a choice to get inside my car, instead of say..riding my bike. So each of our choices leads us to another 'list' of possible choices. And each option on that list will inevitably lead me to another list of choices.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: chodamunky]
    #2223413 - 01/06/04 04:22 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

True, choices lead us to new possible choices... but I mean, it is a really complex thing. Fucking near infinite variables interacting everywhere every second...

We may be faced with a choice and everything, but the option we choose is going to be chose for a reason... what happened before made it so that we would lean towards whatever we choose.
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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2223665 - 01/06/04 06:04 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

I'm sure not special in God's eyes. He never shows his glory to me, never answers my prayers. Fuck your spotlig- er, I mean god.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2223834 - 01/06/04 07:21 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Everyone is special in the eyes of God.

That makes no sense. To be special means to be extraordinary; to stand out from the crowd.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Swami]
    #2223844 - 01/06/04 07:29 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

If such a thing were true than the world would not be the fucked up hell that it is.....if god cared he would make the world a better place, not shine lights into people's windows.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Swami]
    #2223895 - 01/06/04 07:52 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

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Everyone is special in the eyes of God.

That makes no sense. To be special means to be extraordinary; to stand out from the crowd.




Perhaps he meant that everyone has value in the eyes of God. Some people use the word "special" to mean "of great importance".


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #2223928 - 01/06/04 08:14 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

I don't want to be negative, but it sounds like fear is his only God.

I think the only reason people decide to be Christian is because they don't know that there are other spiritual options out there. Why would you want to believe in the vengeful Christian God?




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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Learyfan]
    #2223944 - 01/06/04 08:18 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

The bible doesn't describe God as only vengeful. God is also loving and merciful.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Learyfan]
    #2223946 - 01/06/04 08:18 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

I want nothing to do with any of this conversation. Sorry I even spoke.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Frog]
    #2223953 - 01/06/04 08:22 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

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The bible doesn't describe God as only vengeful. God is also loving and merciful.



Like when he killed off all those innocent first-born sons of Egypt just cuz the pharaoh wouldn't free "his people." I'm amazed when people act say God doesn't pick sides, because he does just that throughout the Old Testament.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Learyfan]
    #2223956 - 01/06/04 08:24 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

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Why would you want to believe in the vengeful Christian God?



Fear. If you don't, your headed for an eternity of pain and torture. Or in past centuries because the church would torture and kill you if you didn't. Great quote, fear is your only god.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Frog]
    #2223958 - 01/06/04 08:25 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Does the Christian God send people to burn in hell for eternity if they don't follow his stringent rules? That sounds like a vengeful God to me.

In my eyes, Christianity is all about kissing God's ass so that he doesn't send you to hell. Saying you love the Christian God is like saying you love the man who has a gun to your head and is threatening to blow your brains out.




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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Learyfan]
    #2223966 - 01/06/04 08:28 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Exactly.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Learyfan]
    #2223975 - 01/06/04 08:32 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

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Does the Christian God send people to burn in hell for eternity if they don't follow his stringent rules? That sounds like a vengeful God to me.

In my eyes, Christianity is all about kissing God's ass so that he doesn't send you to hell. Saying you love the Christian God is like saying you love the man who has a gun to your head and is threatening to blow your brains out.


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My understanding is that we all deserve to burn in hell for being the sinners that we are, but that these days, since the birth of Christ, we have been redeemed.

This means that we get to continue to be sinners (as if we can help it), but as long as we believe in Christ, we don't have to go to the hell we deserve, because God loves us.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Frog]
    #2223991 - 01/06/04 08:37 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

God certainly dosn't love Africa or South America, maybe he only loves white people?


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2224006 - 01/06/04 08:44 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

Well, and this is where I make my "Book of Job" argument.  The one that SpecialEd doesn't like.  :grin:


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: Frog]
    #2224011 - 01/06/04 08:45 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

The book of job is really the only part of the bible I've actually read parts of....but I still don't know what your trying to say.


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Re: From athiest to christian... [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #2224025 - 01/06/04 08:53 PM (18 years, 24 days ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...=&fpart=all

That's where me and SpecialEd discussed this. Since I already wrote it up there, my discussion about Job and how we don't really know everything that's going on behind the scenes, if you read it there, I don't have to repeat myself here. But you don't have to.


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