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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M] * 2
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3.A.M said:
Seriously dude, my first few grows we’re picking paddock mushrooms and taking a few myc ridden pies home, buying bags of h/poo or cow poo on the way home cos it’s quicker and easier than bagging it yourself and costs $1, making beds and burying the pies and whatever was leftover from cleaning the shrooms and get a season of grows out of them, then decided I wanted to grow different varieties and here I am, not to mention I’ve been told not to do or try things by people on here and some of my best grows have resulted from pushing ahead.
If the dude fails, he still learns, and he had the balls to post something he knew he could get flamed for, you just happened to oblige, how’s about instead giving some encouragement or at least point him in the right direction?



That's not at all what he did, nor what I did.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: SirPsycho] * 6
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How about we grow up and realize putting shit in a box isn’t mushroom cultivation.

:thaaannks:

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 3
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Growing up is for fools


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
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Def not ideal and the odds are against but I still wanna see what happens, not to mention a lot of grows here are literally shit in a box, coir in a box is so much better and easier though, I save my shit for my outdoor grows.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M] * 5
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its not about ideal its about being on topic and sanitation. this is a mushroom cultivation and harm reduction site.

gathering up animal waste to keep indoors inside totes is not only gross but a possible health hazard as well and most definitely NOT cultivation. ever seen horse or cow shit come to life with gnats, worms and all kinds of other creatures? besides for contamination reasons its why we pasteurize manure products. to kill all that fantastic life waiting to hatch and infest your house..

homeboy basically went dumpster diving. found a half eaten pizza. brought it home and posted pics saying check out the pizza im making..

doing these things will get you ridiculed and for good reasons.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 1
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No you’re right, but maybe you should take the time to tell homeboy that, instead of ridiculing him maybe?
I’m always here for the topics and education, but flaming noobs is always bad form, for whatever reason.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M] * 4
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nobody was ridiculed dude.
:justno:

lets move on.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: 3.A.M]
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Hi everyone, i watched Stipe's video on bacterial contam and am wondering if this is it:

Same jar on all images.
Seems very nice and consolidated, white and fluffy other than on these few grains.




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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] * 1
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that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] * 1
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drVetker said:
Hi everyone, i watched Stipe's video on bacterial contam and am wondering if this is it:

Same jar on all images.
Seems very nice and consolidated, white and fluffy other than on these few grains.






thick and creamywould be a more accurate discription. i doubt you could shake them up because bacteria holds grains together like glue, and healthy myc shakes apart easily.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hazyhorse] * 1
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hazyhorse said:
that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog



Pure sadness. Thank you.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker] * 3
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drVetker said:
hazyhorse said:
that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog



Pure sadness. Thank you.



Don't toss it. Top fruit it or shoebox it.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way] * 5
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I’m about to send a ton of JW123 Ps. Natalensis plate pins to grain. I’ve always used oats without a problem, but decided it’s time to give rye a chance. In order to compare apples to apples, I prepared it following my own oat prep tek from my journal to the letter. The results honestly amazed me. When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier. For anyone wondering about the difference between oats and rye, here you go!

If you follow my “SPG’s Grain Jar Preparation for Idiots” the same for both grains, here’s the difference between grains.

Moisture content after preparation:
Oats: 52%
Rye: 74%

Same ridiculously easy tek, same exact time and effort expended,  but a much better moisture content!

Fuck oats.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy] * 3
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Tyson said:




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mushboy said:
its not about ideal its about being on topic and sanitation. this is a mushroom cultivation and harm reduction site.



This.

Welcome, Tyson.

Shrooms grown on poo are grown on pasteurized poo, which has the most serious and possibly fatal germs killed. Shrooms grow on poo in nature because poo is there. They grow on grain as well or better. Cow and horses eat grain and grasses almost exclusively. Cow and horse poo is just grain with some of the nutrients stripped out.

Search "e. coli sickness" and you'll find a lot of it is from places where unpasteurized cow shit is used as fertilizer. (A lot of the rest is where they don't provide porta pottys for farm workers and they shit in the field.)

I read the Oregon shroom laws for legal growing for therapy (first state and possibly first place in world that's allowing that). They forbid growing on poo, only allow it on grain. I don't like any drug laws but as laws go, that makes sense. It's too easy to get very sick eating shrooms grown on poo. Would not be conducive to useful therapy. haha.

People on Shroomery who grow on poo (mostly because a few non-cube species need it) pasturize it first.

If cow fields where shrooms grow had cow poo sized wet piles of grain, shrooms would grow on them as well as, if not better than, on poo.

I respect the noob for the hustle, but a bunch of people on this site have experimented over the past 35 years and figured out a solid way to grow cubes and it isn't tossing poo in a box. The overwhelming response here isn't "let's make fun of the noob", it's "let's keep the noob from putting himself or his friends in the hospital."

If you stuck a syringe in a package of Uncle Ben's (sterilized) rice and grew a few shrooms, we'd giggle a little, because it's lazy and not best practices. But it's a lot safer than bringing a tub of poo in your house and tossing spores on it. If you ate the Uncle Ben's shrooms they wouldn't kill you.

Read the link in my sig line "New? Start here." It lists some of the best current teks by the smartest people here.

There was a Fabulous Freak Brothers comic where Fat Freddy brings home poo from shroom cow field, fills the bathtub with it, and the next day, bathroom is full of insects. Sounds about right. Pasteurizing also kills bugs.

I've never gotten sick eating shrooms, but shrooms have a reputation as making some people sick. I wonder how much of that is from eating shrooms they picked that were growing on shit?

If you do manage to grow shrooms on unpasteurized poo, PLEASE, if you're going to consume them, boil them in water for ten min, strain out the shrooms, and drink the tea. With a little honey for flavor.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: San Pedro Girl] * 2
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San Pedro Girl said:
Moisture content after preparation:
Oats: 52%
Rye: 74%



A 22% difference seems like a crazy high amount. It kinda sucks that I've just run out of rye so I can't test it properly. However, my jars do end up around the same weight (there's slightly less rye in the pics below). Oats need a WAY longer boiling time though to reach the same amount of moisture. I use different teks for rye/oats for that very reason. Same time drying. Both times the cores are completely mushy, I actually always kind of overcook both. I tried boiling my oats for only 10-15 minutes like I do with rye and most cores were still fully white and powerdy in the middle yesterday. So I left them another 40 minutes on blast.



San Pedro Girl said:
When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier.



Probably because oats just need a longer boil but can still get to the same moisture content. However, you're technically you're correct since you both boiled 15 minutes and so it's a true apples-to-apples comparison :shrug:

Edited by Throwaway (05/03/23 04:38 AM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Way]
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Way said:
drVetker said:
hazyhorse said:
that’s 100% bacteria sorry dog



Pure sadness. Thank you.



Don't toss it. Top fruit it or shoebox it.



Thank you. I will. The plan was anyway to go to a shoebox, but now with this i think i'll try to just case it and leave it in the jar.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: drVetker]
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Nah i would spawn them 1:1 with top layer, have seen worse grains fruiting well.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Throwaway] * 1
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Throwaway said:
San Pedro Girl said:
Moisture content after preparation:
Oats: 52%
Rye: 74%



A 22% difference seems like a crazy high amount. It kinda sucks that I've just run out of rye so I can't test it properly. However, my jars do end up around the same weight (there's slightly less rye in the pics below). Oats need a WAY longer boiling time though to reach the same amount of moisture. I use different teks for rye/oats for that very reason. Same time drying. Both times the cores are completely mushy, I actually always kind of overcook both. I tried boiling my oats for only 10-15 minutes like I do with rye and most cores were still fully white and powerdy in the middle yesterday. So I left them another 40 minutes on blast.



San Pedro Girl said:
When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier.



Probably because oats just need a longer boil but can still get to the same moisture content. However, you're technically you're correct since you both boiled 15 minutes and so it's a true apples-to-apples comparison :shrug:



You most likely had problems with hydration because you just boiled them for 10-15min. I actually load them in my PC, put in room temp water, close the lid without the weight and start heating. I don’t start my 14min timer until the safety plug pops up. They truly get steamed and the pressure may even be 1-3 PSI. They also stay in the water longer since it takes a while for the room temp water to heat to a boil.

Edit to add I heat at 9000btu the entire time.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Throwaway]
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Throwaway said:
San Pedro Girl said:
Moisture content after preparation:
Oats: 52%
Rye: 74%



A 22% difference seems like a crazy high amount. It kinda sucks that I've just run out of rye so I can't test it properly. However, my jars do end up around the same weight (there's slightly less rye in the pics below). Oats need a WAY longer boiling time though to reach the same amount of moisture. I use different teks for rye/oats for that very reason. Same time drying. Both times the cores are completely mushy, I actually always kind of overcook both. I tried boiling my oats for only 10-15 minutes like I do with rye and most cores were still fully white and powerdy in the middle yesterday. So I left them another 40 minutes on blast.



San Pedro Girl said:
When people talk about oats sucking and rye being better, I’ve never seen it put this way or I would have switched earlier.



Probably because oats just need a longer boil but can still get to the same moisture content. However, you're technically you're correct since you both boiled 15 minutes and so it's a true apples-to-apples comparison :shrug:



You most likely had problems with hydration because you just boiled them for 10-15min. I actually load them in my PC, put in room temp water, close the lid without the weight and start heating. I don’t start my 14min timer until the safety plug pops up. They truly get steamed and the pressure may even be 1-3 PSI. They also stay in the water longer since it takes a while for the room temp water to heat to a boil.

Edit to add I heat at 9000btu the entire time.


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