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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mycolorado] 2
#28319834 - 05/14/23 07:11 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Mycolorado said: What about duck boots? Ducks lay eggs.

You know what? Don’t even talk to me about footwear. Don’t even mention fucking socks.
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Hi TL!!!! It's so awesome to see you!!!!! I hope you're well old friend.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69] 3
#28319881 - 05/14/23 08:04 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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rumfor69 said: Hi TL!!!! It's so awesome to see you!!!!! I hope you're well old friend.

My brother! Glad to see some old heads still sticking this shit out! 
And I wish the best for you and yours as well.
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stockw

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Who here has read Radical Mycology by Peter McCoy? I was looking up information on tinctures / extractions & came across this excerpt which was interesting to me:
The Medicine of a Liquid Culture Some of the most potent and inexpensive medicines produced by fungi are those obtained from pure mycelium and broth created during liquid cultivation practices. These practices grow mycelium in a container filled with sterile water, sugar, and other nutrients. AS the mycelium grows through this liquid, it exudes enzymes and medicinal sugars into the liquid medium. After a growing period of a few weeks, the mycelium can then be filtered out and processed on its own and/or the liquid broth can be processed to concentrate or extract the compounds exuded by the mycelium. This is how many of the most important fungal medicines are produced and processed in Asia and the United States. Massive metal fermentation tanks holding as much as 500,000 litres of liquid culture medium are used to cultivate a given species, or blend of species, at a time. This technique is so successful that it is responsible for the production of over 10,000 tons of penicillin G each year.” By translating these methods to the home and community scale, many of the most potent mushroom medicines can be made for little cost and effort by Radical Mycologists around the world.
The benefits of liquid culture-based medicine production are numerous. With the mycelium grown in dispersed, small, three-dimensional clusters, the number of its active hyphal tips (where enzymes are released) is maximized, leading to an increase in the amount of enzymes per volume area when compared to a mycelial network found in solid substrates. This process is also incredibly inexpensive when compared to the techniques for growing and processing mushrooms or grain spawn. It is also quite quick, requiring only a few days or weeks to obtain large quantities of medicine, compared to the months-long process of growing some mushrooms to their fruiting stage. Yields of the major metabolites can also be quite high, with typical returns being around 50-100 milligrams per litre. In exceptional cases, the yield may be as high as one gram of a given compound per litre.
Processing a liquid culture for medicine can take one of several forms, but the liquid is usually first filtered to separate out the mycelium and process the solids and liquid products separately.
In general, the compounds isolated from the mycelium tend to have a protective role for the fungus, while the extracellular metabolites isolated from the liquid are associated with the combative relationship of the organism with its environment. Notable compounds that are found in liquid culture broths include LEM, LAR Schizophyllan, PSK, PSP, and AB-FP (from Agaricus Blazei). The following is a basic protocol for home-scale processing of the mycelium and liquid broth fractions.
I guess this would have no implications for psilocybin productions due to the extremely low quantities of psilocin in mycelium. But on the same note I read somewhere that exposing mycelium to blue spectrum light causes it to be produced in larger quantities in mycelium? Idk - anyone?
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Stipe-n Cap


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw] 6
#28320727 - 05/15/23 03:20 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Fucking "medicine". What a repulsive way to look at it.
Skip to 3:38
Folks always attempting to justify their drug use by touting the "medicinal benefits" of x substance. They used to do the same thing with whiskey during prohibition, soumds just as ridiculous to me.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28320753 - 05/15/23 03:38 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Repulsive to look at what as medicine, exactly?
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] 3
#28320782 - 05/15/23 04:00 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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The same shit happened with cannabis "I'm medicated" t-shirts handed out to every mouth breather free with purchase of a Marijuana leaf bandana.
Everyone who likes getting high, likes it for that reason. Sure, folks may take it for grand mal, or any number of reasons, but 99% of people are not taking mushrooms because they're super good for you.
LC medicine sounds asinine.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28320797 - 05/15/23 04:18 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: Sure, folks may take it for grand mal, or any number of reasons, but 99% of people are not taking mushrooms because they're super good for you.
i think you might be wrong about this. i would rather say 50/50 in my surroundings almost 100% of the people i know who take mushrooms do it to actively better their life, health or heal something, learn.. rare that i meet someone who is actually consuming them just for fun. but it might be an age thing, im in my mid forties.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: chris77]
#28320799 - 05/15/23 04:20 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I'm melting my face for the health benefits
As they light up a cigarette 🚬
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 7
#28320812 - 05/15/23 04:32 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I 100% need these to not want to kill myself, actually. I have relief from chronic depression for the first time in my life. It’s rather bizarre to say these aren’t medicine, especially coming from someone who is usually so objective in their statements. This is strangely not just off base, but off the field entirely.
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Mr Piggy
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: stockw] 2
#28320819 - 05/15/23 04:36 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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stockw said: Who here has read Radical Mycology by Peter McCoy?
I have. I found it to be full of old cultivation information and pseudo-science. It's a very beautiful and detailed book, but I think every piece of information in it should be taken with a grain of salt, and the medical sections should be flat out ignored.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit] 2
#28320821 - 05/15/23 04:37 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: I 100% need these to not want to kill myself, actually. I have relief from chronic depression for the first time in my life. It’s rather bizarre to say these aren’t medicine, especially coming from someone who is usually so objective in their statements. This is strangely not just off base, but off the field entirely.
Do you think that you represent the vast majority of people taking mushrooms? I made the caveat for the 1% of folks who actually use the substance for medical reasons.
There certainly isn't so many folks in your position to juatify referring to liquid culture as medicine.
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altford78
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 6
#28320822 - 05/15/23 04:38 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I think the point is that you should be able to trip balls without having to label it as medicine. Sure, it can be medicinal but it can also just be a good fun time.
You can use MDMA in couples therapy and save relationships, but you can also roll your face off in a rave and have a fantastic time. Both are awesome.
On the other hand if this is how the door to decriminalization is opened, then so be it, that's fine by me.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: altford78] 4
#28320825 - 05/15/23 04:39 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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altford78 said: I think the point is that you should be able to trip balls without having to label it as medicine. Sure, it can be medicinal but it can also just be a good fun time.
You can use MDMA in couples therapy and save relationships, but you can also roll your face off in a rave and have a fantastic time. Both are awesome.
This, exactly, and most folks are not using mdma in a therapeutic setting. Decriminalization shouldn't rely upon labeling every substance as medicine. We should be free to make our own choices without having to make those kinds of arguments.
Having freedoms based upon whether those freedoms are considered healthy or not, seems dangerous.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28320826 - 05/15/23 04:40 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Smellyhobbit said: I have relief from chronic depression for the first time in my life.
I second that part. They absolutely do wonders mentally for some people. They've pulled me out of a nose dive a few times.
I can't speak for anyone else, but when I call a lot of mushroom medical books pseudo-science I'm referring specifically to physical medicine.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 1
#28320829 - 05/15/23 04:48 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said:
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Smellyhobbit said: I 100% need these to not want to kill myself, actually. I have relief from chronic depression for the first time in my life. It’s rather bizarre to say these aren’t medicine, especially coming from someone who is usually so objective in their statements. This is strangely not just off base, but off the field entirely.
Do you think that you represent the vast majority of people taking mushrooms? I made the caveat for the 1% of folks who actually use the substance for medical reasons.
There certainly isn't so many folks in your position to juatify referring to liquid culture as medicine.
I dunno, I speak to A LOT of people who use them for depression. I have lot of friends that can actually function now instead of being locked in a dark room with cluster headaches. The more I think about it the more I realize they can be used for certain medical applications.
Honestly, I don't think the majority of people taking them are doing it for the therapeutic effects, but I think it's a fuck of a lot higher than 1%. You might not be able to quantify mental illness, but you can certainly see marked improvements in a lot of people's lives.
I also don't think therapeutic and social use are exclusive, I've often used them for both at the same time.
If y'all really want to have a hoot and explore your relationship with your partner(s) take both MDMA and mushrooms at the same time. Fucking incredible.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Mr Piggy] 2
#28320832 - 05/15/23 04:50 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Maybe we should change the agar envy thread title to "agar medicine" thread.
Shakedown street wasn't an open air drug market, it was really just an apothecary 
I get that it helps people, but you must be able to see what I'm saying here. Nobody was talking about the health benefits of LSD and psilocybin during the summer dead tours
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rumfor69
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28320837 - 05/15/23 04:54 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: Having freedoms based upon whether those freedoms are considered healthy or not, seems dangerous.
Exactly. The minute you hand over freedom of choice and power is the exact moment you're in a position to be abused and taken advantaged of.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: rumfor69] 1
#28320843 - 05/15/23 04:58 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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If they tried to ban cigarettes in North America, someone would quickly argue that we've really been smoking tobacco because of some hidden benefits to stimulating the nervous system.
This might even be true, but we all know why the vast majority of people consume their substances of choice.
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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28320847 - 05/15/23 05:01 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I dunno if we are still beating this equine but I'll drop my story.
I have only tried shrooms once, and it was under medical supervision.
It was no fun at all. I felt sick most of the time, like when you drink too much and the room spins.
But it also gave me some intense introspective visions, and the experience basically cured me of one of my hang-ups. My worries just vanished! It was fascinating. FWIW I had this experience before I read or watched anything about psilocybin. I had never heard anyone else's miracle stories. I knew zero going in. So I don't think my outcome was the result of wishful thinking, or fooling myself.
I am a believer in the medicinal potential, and at the same time I am not looking forward to taking any more. It was hard work, not a fun party.
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