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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
My logic? You’re the one conflating Islamic dress with authoritarianism.



And you're conflating egalitarianism with progressiveness.

The Ecstatic said:
Jesus Christ. Where do you think Israel got its land from? They are the invaders lmao



Are we really going to take this to America should be given back to the Indians?


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
this is where I'll admit I differ from most others here.  Yes, I WILL defend the third Reich from make believe, even though I oppose them in general.



Dad what did you to quell the rise of fascism?

Well son I tirelessly fact checked the anti fascists.



Yes.  But you forgot to mention that I still oppose the third Reich for factual reasons.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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More fake news.  Watch the first 25 seconds of this ABC News video:



Then watch this video of a Knob Creek night shoot in Kentucky:



Whoopsie.


You can criticize me for constantly pointing out fake news, which helps Trump, but I'll respond to just stop posting fake news and start criticizing Trump for real things he does.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
My logic? You’re the one conflating Islamic dress with authoritarianism.



And you're conflating egalitarianism with progressiveness.

The Ecstatic said:
Jesus Christ. Where do you think Israel got its land from? They are the invaders lmao



Are we really going to take this to America should be given back to the Indians?



The point is using Israel as a hypothetical victim of invasion is utterly ridiculous.

And sure, be true to the facts. The right is, yeah?

No the right is cheating every which way possible and the left pushback is near nonexistent because y’all would rather keep your hands clean than win.

Trump had the video shown at his resort. Whether it was personally trump or a surrogate is irrelevant, quibbling over that tidbit is the biggest waste of time I can think of. Who does that help? In what way does it help any of the things you stand for? Is there any evidence whatsoever that you can win people over by constantly showing deference to trump? If anything you’re just giving them more talking points to use against people like yourself.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
My logic? You’re the one conflating Islamic dress with authoritarianism.



And you're conflating egalitarianism with progressiveness.





So communists and anarchists aren’t progressive? Does progressive to you mean like a liberal who is okay with gay people?





I mean...you choose the strangest hills to die on.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I’m sorry what evidence do you have that that’s fake news? Because war looks like war?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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Fal, buddy, you can make a leftist critique of the media. I do it all the time. Organizations exist solely to do that.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
My logic? You’re the one conflating Islamic dress with authoritarianism.



And you're conflating egalitarianism with progressiveness.

The Ecstatic said:
Jesus Christ. Where do you think Israel got its land from? They are the invaders lmao



Are we really going to take this to America should be given back to the Indians?



The point is using Israel as a hypothetical victim of invasion is utterly ridiculous.

And sure, be true to the facts. The right is, yeah?

No the right is cheating every which way possible and the left pushback is near nonexistent because y’all would rather keep your hands clean than win.

Trump had the video shown at his resort. Whether it was personally trump or a surrogate is irrelevant, quibbling over that tidbit is the biggest waste of time I can think of. Who does that help? In what way does it help any of the things you stand for? Is there any evidence whatsoever that you can win people over by constantly showing deference to trump? If anything you’re just giving them more talking points to use against people like yourself.



I think it's important not to jump to conclusions about the video. I don't think anyone wants to be falsely accused of doing something, you can understand that sentiment, right?

It shouldn't take false narratives to win against Trump, just point out the facts and anyone can see he has failed the vast majority of the US population.

If the D's, MSM and liberals continue down the road they're on with Trump, they're just giving him another 4 years.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman] * 2
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If the facts were enough we wouldn’t be in the position we are. That’s plainly obvious.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
The right is cheating every which way possible and the left pushback is near nonexistent because y’all would rather keep your hands clean than win.



I would argue that fake news is the reason we won't win, but it seems that's where we disagree.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Trump for Parole 2045


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
So communists and anarchists aren’t progressive? Does progressive to you mean like a liberal who is okay with gay people?

I mean...you choose the strangest hills to die on.



I said Assad appears to be more progressive than the Kurds.  If you can show that's wrong, then teach me something.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
If the facts were enough we wouldn’t be in the position we are. That’s plainly obvious.



Bernie does pretty good with it. It's much better than the false narratives perpetrated by The Establishment and MSM. 

All these false narratives have done nothing but strengthen the Trump base. They come to his defense because the cheap attacks are so obvious, it's not like any evidence has been used.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
I’m sorry what evidence do you have that that’s fake news? Because war looks like war?



Then why not say "Here's some footage from the Knob Creek night shoot in Kentucky to show you want the attack against the Kurds might look like"


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
The right is cheating every which way possible and the left pushback is near nonexistent because y’all would rather keep your hands clean than win.



I would argue that fake news is the reason we won't win, but it seems that's where we disagree.



They already beat you. Calling real news fake and the crap they peddle as credible.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
The right is cheating every which way possible and the left pushback is near nonexistent because y’all would rather keep your hands clean than win.



I would argue that fake news is the reason we won't win, but it seems that's where we disagree.



You want the media to win it for you? Keep sitting on your hands and hoping the corporate media will hold the ruling class accountable. Wait for it

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
The Ecstatic said:
So communists and anarchists aren’t progressive? Does progressive to you mean like a liberal who is okay with gay people?

I mean...you choose the strangest hills to die on.



I said Assad appears to be more progressive than the Kurds.  If you can show that's wrong, then teach me something.



Yeah your evidence of Assad appearing more progressive is two apparently Syrian women in a club and then two other women wearing a hijab. Clearly the burden of proof is on me to prove the anarcho communists with the queer militia are farther left.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
I’m sorry what evidence do you have that that’s fake news? Because war looks like war?



Then why not say "Here's some footage from the Knob Creek night shoot in Kentucky to show you want the attack against the Kurds might look like"



They made a mistake. Get over it.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
If the facts were enough we wouldn’t be in the position we are. That’s plainly obvious.



Bernie does pretty good with it. It's much better than the false narratives perpetrated by The Establishment and MSM. 

All these false narratives have done nothing but strengthen the Trump base. They come to his defense because the cheap attacks are so obvious, it's not like any evidence has been used.



Bernie’s been saying the same shit for half a century and it’s took an impending ecological collapse for one half of one half of one of the political parties to believe he might be worth listening to.

This only proves my point.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
I’m sorry what evidence do you have that that’s fake news? Because war looks like war?



Then why not say "Here's some footage from the Knob Creek night shoot in Kentucky to show you want the attack against the Kurds might look like"



They made a mistake. Get over it.



Clearly Trump’s resort staff at a Trump event deserve more of the benefit of the doubt than ABC News.


Regardless, the media is only sensationalizing the Kurds story so they can use it as a cudgel against Trump.

does this mean the Kurds are bad because the media is being disingenuous? No, fal.
does this mean the Kurds are only being betrayed due to trump’s idiocy? No, koods.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Your evidence of Assad appearing more progressive is two apparently Syrian women in a club and then two other women wearing a hijab. Clearly the burden of proof is on me to prove the anarcho communists with the queer militia are farther left.



I was just wondering if you had evidence to back your belief that Kurds are more progressive than Syrians.  I'll gladly admit that reopening bars in Damascus and Syrian people dressing like westerners (while Kurdish women like to cover their heads) isn't sufficient evidence that Kurds are less progressive.  But something seems better than nothing.  :shrug:


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