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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: trendal]
    #4373038 - 07/05/05 07:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually I hadn't even seen that post when I wrote my last, which is why the quote I replied to wasn't in the post you just quoted




You reply to posts you haven't yet read? That explains a lot.



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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: Phred]
    #4373055 - 07/05/05 07:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

There is free health care in the US.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: trendal]
    #4373060 - 07/05/05 07:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Phred your original points all stand with reasons that many of us have pointed out, justified or otherwise. Simply spinning those reasons with clever words like confiscatory, saying health-care is fucked (which it isn't, its simply to your disadvantage, it seems to keep the rest of the population happy), and that we're "addicted to a nanny-state," when in fact the ideal is universal care and certainly holds merit, whether you believe it is or not, the UN and much of the world recognises it is.

Simply shows bias and an unwillingness to engage in an open debate. Experience is one thing, having the single best canadian opinion, although quite an achievement (good for you!), you've simply disregarded all debate that has happened in favour of your expert opinions which together show that you can effectively spin words without giving a fair balance of knowledge, and without addressing the canadian mood.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: Phred]
    #4373064 - 07/05/05 07:42 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ok go look at the post you think I replied to.

Now see that scroll bar on the right-hand side of the window? Press the little arrow thingie on top of it...

...scroll up...

and read the post I replied to. Then re-read the quote of yours I used in my post, and tell me which post you wrote it in?


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: trendal]
    #4373094 - 07/05/05 07:52 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Canadians as a whole have chosen to give their tax dollars to a public health system time and time again in elections since we adopted public health care.



Sorry, bullshit -- the majority is NOT the whole.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: Ancalagon]
    #4373151 - 07/05/05 08:12 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I stand corrected.

A majority of Canadians have chosen public health care.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: trendal]
    #4373431 - 07/05/05 09:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Sigh.

Trendal, the post in which you stated:

Quote:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: I don't mind paying taxes for what I get. Perhaps you overlooked that statement the other times I've said it.




is post #4372477. It was posted at 4:28 pm Eastern Time today. If you go to the title bar of that post, It reads "Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: Phred]"

The "[Re: Phred]" part in the post header lets the reader know which post you were replying to. When a reader clicks on the underlined "Phred" in the "[Re: Phred}" part of the header, it brings up the post you were replying to -- my post #4372433, posted at 4:06 pm Eastern Time today, in which I had stated:

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-- The level of taxation is confiscatory. Again, no one disputes this, they just say they love high taxes and suggest those who don't should leave.




Now, maybe you thought you were replying to an earlier post. But you weren't. Try it yourself and see. Hell, try it on THIS post too so you can see how it works. Click on the underlined "trendal" in the "[Re: trendal]" part of this post header. It will bring up your post to which I am replying. It works every time, and has to the best of my knowledge always worked this way.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: Phred]
    #4373447 - 07/05/05 09:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I wasn't aware that it worked that way, but it doesn't change the fact that I was replying to the first post and not the second. Which post I clicked "reply" on is merely a technicality.

If I was replying to the second post, I probably would have quoted it instead of the first post :wink:


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: trendal]
    #4373454 - 07/05/05 09:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Actually, Phred, you don't have to click "Reply" for this to happen.

I usually use the quick-reply box at the bottom of the page, which is defaulted to "Last Post" :wink:

Edit: for instance this post, which was really a reply to you, shows up as a reply to my last post because I just wrote it in the quick-reply box.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: Phred]
    #4373465 - 07/05/05 09:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

At any rate, this is a pointless argument.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: BCBudJohn]
    #4373555 - 07/05/05 10:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

BCBudJohn writes:

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Simply spinning those reasons with clever words like confiscatory, saying health-care is fucked (which it isn't, its simply to your disadvantage, it seems to keep the rest of the population happy), and that we're "addicted to a nanny-state," when in fact the ideal is universal care and certainly holds merit, whether you believe it is or not, the UN and much of the world recognises it is.




Well... that's an incomplete sentence, but I think I catch your drift.

a) There's nothing "clever" about words like confiscatory. When you pay more in taxes than you get to keep, that is by any reasonable person's definition confiscatory.

b) Any health "care" system in which people regularly die while waiting for rationed treatment, where people wait years to sign on with a new general practitioner, wait months for appointments with specialists, more months for necessary tests, more months for the results of those tests, then over a year for the necessary surgery, is fucked no matter how much you protest otherwise.

Further, none of this is news -- the government's "solution" to the problem is to run (every five years or so) yet another commission to study the problem. Every single one of those commissions has found the same problems I just described. Hell, where do you think I freaking get my figures from???? From the bloody studies, duh!

c) it is not just to my disadvantage. I don't exaggerate when I say people die (or if lucky just hobble around for years in pain on crutches or wheelchairs) due to the fucked Canadian health "care" system. It's well-documented fact. I would say those people are more disadvantaged than I was. And I doubt very much they consider themselves part of "the rest of the population" who is "happy", but hey... they're Canadian after all. Maybe they are happy watching their parents die while waiting months for an ECG. At least they get the pleasure of knowing they didn't butt in line or anything. I'm probably being arrogant and biased and stuff by presuming they weren't happy. Or maybe I don't understand "the Canadian mood".

d) even though the ideal of "universal" care could be argued by some to hold merit, Canada's system doesn't even provide that care. That's my freaking point fa cryin' out loud. As one of the Supreme Court justices in the recent landmark Quebec medicare decision stated, "Access to a waiting list is not access to health care".

Look, it's no coincidence that only three countries on the whole planet have single tier socialized medicine -- because it doesn't freaking work, duh! Does England have single tier socialized medicine? Nope. Spain? Nope. Germany? Sweden? Japan? Switzerland? France? Australia? Nope. They all allow their citizens to supplement the state-run system with private insurance. Did you ever stop to wonder why that might be? Only Cuba, North Korea, and Canada are stupid enough to stubbornly cling to a thoroughly-discredited health care model.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Single-tier socialized medicine by its very nature cannot be anything other than fucked. The entire rest of the planet recognizes this. Even the freaking UN.

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Simply shows bias and an unwillingness to engage in an open debate.




Projection.

What you are saying is that since after reading your "rebuttals" (and as I point out none of the statements I made in my first post have been rebutted) my opinion remains the same, I am "biased".

What is this crap about "open debate"? What have you "debated"? You (or others) have presented no alternatives, no reasoned argument to make me reconsider my positions. All you (or others in this thread) have done is to say that you don't mind having over half your money seized, that you don't mind waiting a year or more for surgery, that Canada used to have a non-joke army on D-Day, that there are scandals in other governments, and that you think Socialism is great and Capitalism sucks.

Give me a convincing argument that any of my points in my first post in this thread is incorrect and I'll alter my position. It won't be the first time in my life I reversed a previously-held stance. But for Christ's sake, give me something with some substance -- not this lame "it could be worse" crap.

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Experience is one thing, having the single best canadian opinion, although quite an achievement (good for you!), you've simply disregarded all debate that has happened in favour of your expert opinions which together show that you can effectively spin words without giving a fair balance of knowledge, and without addressing the canadian mood.




Okay... so since I have lived longer in Canada than anyone else participating in this thread, had more money seized from me than anyone else, held a critical , demanding, and responsible management position in a very large Canadian business, am articulate, am well-informed on the subject matter under discussion, present my points logically and with supporting sources, I am "spinning words"? I am "biased" and "unwilling to engage in open debate"?

What grinds your gears, John, is that you haven't the ability to refute anything I've said. You have made up your mind -- on no foundation other than that you "feel" I must be wrong because everything I have presented goes against your comfortable preconceptions -- that I am wrong and you are right. I ask again -- have you or anyone else here shown any of my assertions to be faulty? Nope. Yet *I* am the one to be chastised for not caving to your position?

Whatever, dude.



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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: Phred]
    #4375208 - 07/06/05 11:38 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Dude, I don't think anyone is disagreeing with the points that your making.

What people are tired of hearing is, you and lonestar, pissing and moaning about Canada.

GET OVER IT ALREADY!

We get, that you don't like the Canadian government.
Good for you.
You have the option of NOT living there.
Problem solved.

I personally could care less about how the Canadians govern themselves.
It makes NO difference in how I live my life.

If the Canadians are paying high taxes, that they voted for.......why are you bitching.

If you truly want to change the Canadian government.
Move back to Canada and start your own Capitalistic campaign.

To constantly piss and moan about a government that your no longer part of......
makes you look immature......not intelligent.

Its starting to sound like, you liked living in Canada but didnt like having to pay the high taxes.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: niteowl]
    #4375241 - 07/06/05 11:59 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

niteowl said:

"I personally could care less about how the Canadians govern themselves.
It makes NO difference in how I live my life."



I care, and it does make a difference in my life.

for example: 50 Terror Groups Believed to Be in Canada

http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://news...terror_groups_1

The USA and Canada are neighbors with a large UN-patrolled border.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4375279 - 07/06/05 12:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Do you honestly think that there are NO terrorist here in America :rolleyes:

I would be FAR more worried about our southern border than our northern one. It IS patrolled, and people are FLOODING across that border.

A Saudi will pass as a Mexican quicker than he would a Canadian

Besides, how is bashing their health care system, going to stop some terrorist from entering thru Canada?

Pissing and moaning about Canada isn't going to change anything.
If you TRULY want to change the Canadian government.....move there and start your own Capitalistic Campaign to make Canada into a Mini-America


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4375294 - 07/06/05 12:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Now Canadians are terrorists, haha


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: niteowl]
    #4375298 - 07/06/05 12:29 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I am worried about both our borders. I have posted a lot of articles about Mexico but no one seems interested.

I remember someone started a fuck-Canada thread last year and it ended up 30 pages long.

the canucks are very patriotic.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: niteowl]
    #4375306 - 07/06/05 12:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Niteowl writes:

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What people are tired of hearing is, you and lonestar, pissing and moaning about Canada.




If you didn't want to hear why lonestar has the urge to post articles such as the one he did, why did you ask him?

Of course, if the article was about America... hey, no problem! Piss and moan all you want. Over and over and over again. Because of course America is different. We never get tired of pissing and moaning about America. Besides, pissing and moaning about America can be a group activity. Everyone can play.

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We get, that you don't like the Canadian government.
Good for you.
You have the option of NOT living there.
Problem solved.

I personally could care less about how the Americans govern themselves.
It makes NO difference in how I live my life.





We get, that you don't like the American government.
Good for you.
You have the option of NOT living there.
Problem solved.

I personally could care less about how the Americans govern themselves.
It makes NO difference in how I live my life.

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If the Canadians are paying high taxes, that they voted for.......why are you bitching.




You asked why lonestar had negative stuff to say about Canada. I gave some reasons why people have negative things to say about Canada. I also showed as false your claim that Canadians had taken the idea of freedom and liberty for all and done a much better job of implementing than had America.

It's not that I'm "bitching", it's that I'm debunking your false claim. That's how it works here in this forum... someone makes a bogus claim, he gets called on it. You've been here long enough to know that.

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If you truly want to change the Canadian government.
Move back to Canada and start your own Capitalistic campaign.




But I don't want to change it. It can't be changed because too many Canadians are complacent and perfectly content with their lack of freedom and liberty. As you can see from reviewing the comments of our Canadian contributors, they value the illusion of security and their ideal of forced 'equality" more than they value their personal freedom. I, on the other hand, value my freedom more than I value overpriced pre-paid third-rate health "care" and spending a quarter of my working life filling in pettifogging "diversity compliance" forms for the government.

So I left. And I never regretted it.

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To constantly piss and moan about a government that your no longer part of......
makes you look immature......not intelligent.




And that makes the Canadians and Euros in this forum who bitch about America look mature and intelligent? The difference between them and me is that I know what I'm discussing. They don't.

Are you an American? Do you bitch about America? Why don't you leave it and live somewhere else?

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Its starting to sound like, you liked living in Canada but didnt like having to pay the high taxes.




I enjoyed some things about living in Canada, yes. But I didn't leave it just because the taxes were confiscatory -- the absurd tax rate is just a symptom of the disease -- I left because I dislike Canada's indifference (and in many cases active hostility) to liberty.

If I had stayed in Canada I would be financially independent by now. I'd be retired with a nice house and a damn good chunk of change invested. Yes, even with the confiscatory taxes I could have amassed a million bucks or so in the last seventeen and a half years, and that's enough to retire on.

Instead I came to a third-world country and ran a break-even windsurfing business, then worked six years as a bartender/ bar manager for anywhere between six hundred and twelve hundred bucks a month. I have nowhere near a million bucks and I'm not in a position to retire.

I know it's hard for many to understand, but there are people in this world who act out of principle.



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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4375313 - 07/06/05 12:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

From your article...

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The U.S. State Department has estimated there are 40 terrorist organizations with sympathizers or supporters in the United States.




And I bet the same can be said for Britain, France, Germany, Mexico...

That article is going on about the fight against terrorism in Canada, whats the problem?


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: J4S0N]
    #4375324 - 07/06/05 12:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

no. but.....

Danger Up North
Canada?s welcome mat for terrorists.


http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/murdock200503210830.asp

By Deroy Murdock

Let's hope Honduras is awash in American agents. Al Qaeda's Abu Musab al-Zarqawi reportedly has dispatched Islamo-fascist murderers to penetrate the U.S. via Tegucigalpa, where bribe-hungry authorities allegedly sell passports to smooth passage through Mexico to the human highway known as the U.S.-Mexican border.


But American officials better eye the northern frontier, too. Canadians seem rather relaxed about some who inhabit the land nestled between Alaska and the Lower 48. While most Canadians are as friendly as Labrador retrievers, that attitude is not universal.

"I'm not afraid of dying, and killing doesn't frighten me," Algerian-born Canadian Fateh Kamel said on an Italian counterterrorism intercept. "If I have to press the remote control, vive the jihad!"

Kamel, who jet-setted among Afghanistan, Bosnia, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, was arrested in Jordan on December 15, 1999, and extradited to France. He was convicted of distributing bogus passports and conspiring to blow up Paris Metro stations. He was sentenced April 6, 2001, to eight years in prison.

But after fewer than four years, France sprang Kamel for "good behavior." (What is it about iron bars and German shepherds that mellows people so?) Kamel flew home to Canada January 29.

"When Kamel arrived in Montreal, the RCMP [Royal Canadian Mounted Police] was not even at the airport to greet him," Canada's National Post reported last month. "As far as they're concerned, he is an ex-convict who has done his time and has committed no crimes in Canada."

Kamel now freely strolls Canada's streets. That's just fine, so long as he limits his violence to moose hunting and such. But what if he has humans ? Americans, even ? in his crosshairs?

"We should be looking at him and possibly sending him back to Algeria," Conservative-party deputy leader Peter MacKay said in the February 27 Toronto Star. "There is a strong circumstantial case right now to suggest this guy isn't deserving of Canadian citizenship." MacKay sees Kamel as emblematic of Ottawa's peaceful, easy feeling toward terrorist killers. "What crossed my mind was that the French authorities wanted him out of the country, and we were all too willing to take him in."

Kamel is not alone. Canada crawls with terrorists, suspected violent extremists, and folks worthy of 24-hour surveillance.

"There have been a number of instances where Canadians or individuals based here have been implicated in terrorist attacks or plans in other countries, at least a half dozen or more in the last several years," Canadian Security and Intelligence Director Jim Judd told a Canadian Senate panel in Ottawa March 7. "There are several graduates of terrorist training camps, many of whom are battle-hardened veterans of campaigns in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya and elsewhere who reside here...Often these individuals remain in contact with one another while in Canada or with colleagues outside of the country, and continue to show signs of ongoing clandestine activities, including the use of counter-surveillance techniques, secretive meetings, and encrypted communications." Among other things, Canadian-based terrorists have aspired to whack a visiting Israeli official, bomb a Jewish district in Montreal, and sabotage an El Al jet over Canada.

On March 16, British Columbian Supreme Court Justice Ian Bruce Josephson found Sikh separatists Ripudaman Singh Malik and Ajaib Singh Bagri not guilty of planting a bomb that destroyed Air India Flight 182 off the Irish coast on June 23, 1985, killing 329 people. Two baggage handlers also were killed in a subsequent explosion at Tokyo's Narita Airport.

An acquittal is an acquittal. Just ask Robert Blake. Still, the testimony against Malik remains fascinating. One witness quoted him as saying: "We had Air India crash. Nobody, nobody can do anything. It is all for Sikhism."

For his part, Bagri reportedly told the founding conference of the World Sikh Organization: "Yes, there must be our handshake with the Hindus. We will shake hands. Where? On the battlefield."

"This verdict sends a message to terrorists around the world that you can get away with these kinds of acts in Canada," Liberal-party legislator Dave Hayer told the Vancouver Sun. His publisher father was assassinated after agreeing to testify in the trial.

Egyptian refugee Mohammad Majoub remains in a Toronto jail ? for now. Federal court justice Elinor Dawson has blocked efforts to deport him to Egypt for fear he may be tortured there. Majoub admits to working on Osama bin Laden's Sudanese farm in the 1990s and meeting with members of Canada's terror-tied Khadr family. Judge Dawson's thoughts on the "security certificate," which has permitted his detention without bail or charge since June 2000, highlight the logic that eventually could free someone like Majoub. "When reviewing the reasonableness of a security certificate," Dawson ruled, "at issue is whether there are 'reasonable grounds to believe' certain facts. The issue is not whether those facts are true."

Meanwhile, Adil Charkaoui was released February 18 on bail of $50,000 Canadian (about $41,500 in U.S. dollars). Charkaoui claims no terrorist ties, but al-Qaeda honcho Abu Zubaida and convicted terrorist Ahmed Ressam say they met him in 1998 at an Afghan terror training camp.

Algerian-born Ressam, a failed Montreal refugee applicant and suspected Fateh Kamel prot?g?, was caught by U.S. Border Patrol on December 14, 1999, at Port Angeles, Washington after crossing the Canadian frontier in an explosive-laden car. He dreamed of ringing in the millennium by blowing up Los Angeles International Airport.

"CSIS was aware of him since 1995 and was surveilling him, but they never put him out of business," the National Post's Stewart Bell, author of last year's Cold Terror: How Canada Nurtures and Exports Terrorism to the World, told journalist Bill Gladstone. "On the other hand, the second he entered the United States, he was stopped, arrested, and turned into a very good government informant." In his book, Bell writes: "Canada has tried to smother terrorism with kindness...Its most valuable contribution to the war on terrorism may well be its terrorists."

Canadian Zaynab Khadr flew from Islamabad, Pakistan to Toronto February 17 with her daughter, age 4 1/2, and teenage sister. She joined her mother and brother, Karim, who returned to Canada last April. Karim was wounded when Pakistani forces raided a suspected al-Qaeda hideaway. Her Egyptian-born father, who was killed in that attack, previously had been arrested in Islamabad after a 1995 Egyptian embassy truck bombing. Another brother, Abdurahman, returned to Canada in December 2003. He told Canadian Broadcasting that he grew up in an "al-Qaeda family." (To be fair, he briefly worked for the CIA.)

"No one likes killing people," the burka-clad Ms. Khadr to the Toronto Star, referring to September 11. "But sometimes killing people can solve a problem, a bigger problem." She added: "A man doesn't just get on the plane and put himself in a building unless he really believes in something."

The Washington Times reported last September 24 that Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, an al-Qaeda cell leader with a $5 million U.S. bounty on his head, visited Canada in 2003 seeking nuclear materials for a dirty bomb.

Paul Martin, Canada's Liberal premier, attended a May 2000 dinner while finance minister. Its hosts: The Federation of Association of Canadian Tamils, a front for the Tamil Tigers, a Sri Lankan terrorist group. It has killed at least 60 people, including two Americans, and injured more than 1,400 others, the State Department reports. Martin, and international cooperation minister Maria Minna, ignored security officials who urged them to stay away. Wooing Canada's sizable Tamil minority apparently was irresistible.

Canadian immigration agents admitted Mahmoud Mohammed Issa Mohammad in 1987, despite his role in attacking an El Al aircraft in Athens in 1968. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine alumnus has foiled deportation through relentless legal tricks.

"There are known al-Qaeda cells in Montreal and Toronto," one congressional expert tells me. She nonetheless detects progress among Canadian counterterrorists. "They are very sensitive about being called a conduit for terrorism. Since September 11, Canada has been on the offense. The RCMP has some joint intelligence centers where both Americans and Canadians operate." Still, this aide sees areas of danger, from porous borders to vulnerable infrastructure. Detonating the Canadian side of the Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Windsor, Ontario, for example, could cripple the most economically valuable trade route linking our two countries.

The Capitol Hill staffer, who spoke anonymously, added: "Canada has stepped up their visa application procedures, but there are huge populations of people they have let in under refugee and asylum status and as immigrants who may be of concern. They are changing their laws to allow them to deport those people. But increasing that effort and deporting those people is something the United States would encourage."

Harvey Kushner, author of the hair-raising counterterrorism best-seller Holy War on the Home Front, is less sanguine. "It's quite disturbing that Canada's immigration policies have let this situation fester and grow," he says. "We do not have an electrified fence. When you have a neighbor who is not on the same page, it's indeed troublesome."

What can America do about all this? Pressing the Canadians to tighten up may require constant engagement. Amplifying the calls of Canada's Tories for stricter immigration and easier deportation would help. For starters, President Bush should broach border security when he meets his North American counterparts in Mexico on March 23.

The warm U.S.-Canadian relationship, illustrated by our 3,145-mile unprotected boundary, cooled somewhat when Ottawa recently refused to help Washington develop defenses against incoming nuclear-tipped missiles. But that modest dispute will pale beside the northward-flowing rancor that will erupt if a terrorist attack kills innocent Americans, and U.S. officials discover that the butchers slipped past complacent Canadians.


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Re: 2020 VISION What will Canada look like in 15 years? [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4375351 - 07/06/05 12:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

no problem. niteowl wanted to know why I even give a shit about Canada.

My point was that Canada is our neighbor and things that happen up there effect us down here. ( and vise-versa)


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