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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: Noteworthy]
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It doesn't...life evolves, the consciousness does.


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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: kydelic]
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kydelic! if you are going to butt in, please take note of the opinions that are being discussed. If you do not think consciousness plays a role in evolution of life, why not sit back and await Nymphaea's answer?


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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: Noteworthy]
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I've been in this conversation form the beginning and this is a public forum, I'm hardly butting in. I'm just pointing out how you question makes no sense because consciousness plays no role in the evolution/origination of other life, unless you are talking about how we consciously mutate viruses, or may create new life in the future.


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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: kydelic]
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I know Buddhism isn't absolute truth (I believe in it is all) but Buddhism and the psychedelic experience both seem to suggest that reality is just a manifestation of the mind...


So in pure essence, all is consciousness. Therefore consciousness is evolving into the realization of itself.


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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: Noteworthy]
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JackofSpades said:
I know Buddhism isn't absolute truth (I believe in it is all) but Buddhism and the psychedelic experience both seem to suggest that reality is just a manifestation of the mind...


So in pure essence, all is consciousness. Therefore consciousness is evolving into the realization of itself.



I like this.  It's kind of what I believe.  I'm not totally against the idea of a "soul."  I believe that consciousness cam be completely attributed (maybe not completely understood) from a physics.  But physics and philosophy are kind of meeting up with each other now.  Many new ideas from physics (such as the idea that us having conciousness is what creates the physical world, basicly none of this would be here if we weren't here to experience it) sound like philosophical ideas.   

Sorry I couldn't finish my post last time, I had to go to a class and then I had to go to work and then I had to go socialize etc.  You know how it goes.

Noteworthy said:
I think it is a silly hypothetical because we don't know if the brain CAN be replicated.
But I await your return, to explain how consciousness plays a role in the evolution of... life



You think it is a "silly" hypothetical because the situation is impossible or just because it is a hypothetical?  I don't think you should consider mere hypotheticals silly because they make for good thought experiments.  I don't even think you should consider impossible hypothetical silly because much value can be gained from thinking about their implications.  That is just my opinion though.

   
kydelic said:
It doesn't...life evolves, the consciousness does.



Noteworthy said:
kydelic! if you are going to butt in, please take note of the opinions that are being discussed. If you do not think consciousness plays a role in evolution of life, why not sit back and await Nymphaea's answer?



Kydelic pretty much answered the question for me.

We evolved consciousness.  We are the most highly conscious of all the animals on Earth, but other animals also exhibit certain signs of some varying levels of consciousness.  It has evolved as a side effect of thinking and also as something that furthers our survival.  Being conscious improves our chances of survival as well as the chances for the survival of the species.  I also think that animals as a collective evolving consciousness helps for the survival of all the animals.

When we are conscious we are more motivated to live.  When we are conscious we hold oursevles more responsible for our actions which improves the chances of survival of our species as well as the rest of life on Earth.  When we are conscious and we realize that everyone else is life takes on a new meaning.  I think we are less likely to kill and we are more likely to save someone else.  We are more likely to help those in suffering because we realize that they are actaully experiencing the suffering.  To a certain extent consciousness evolved because animals evolved thinking about the past and the future.  (At least humans did for sure).

Anyways, back to the question of whether or not the brain can be replicated.  Can the actual physical make up of the brain never be replicated because it is just to highly complex?  Or is there something more then just physical and that is why it can not be replicated?  If it is just the fact that it is a physical structure then where is the "soul?"

i don't think it makes the brain any less special or significant int he universe to think of it strictly as a physical thing.  It truly is amazing that this highly complex structure can actually experience the universe, and it is the only thing that gives the universe any meaning.  The meaning of the universe is to create life, and the meaning of life is to experience.  The brain amazes me, and I sometimes call consciousness and collective copiousness the "soul."

I do not do a great job of explaining everything that I mean.  I wish I could.  I highly recommend you read this book in the link below sometime.  It explains what I am trying to say using really good metaphors and clear explanations.  The ideas in this book are so deep that I guarantee they will blow your mind.  It has permanently changed the way I've thought about a lot of different things.  I kind of compare it to an acid trip that you will remember all your epiphanies from.

You should smoke while you read this book too, best read well high ever. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_A_Strange_Loop

This is a very lively conversation and I have been enjoying it.

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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: JackofSpades]
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I know Buddhism isn't absolute truth (I believe in it is all) but Buddhism and the psychedelic experience both seem to suggest that reality is just a manifestation of the mind...

So nice to see someone acknowledge their beliefs are not absolute truth. Very healthy IMO.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: Icelander]
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You should smoke while you read this book too, best read well high ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_A_Strange_Loop



I've been wanting to read that for a while now, I'm guessing it is good then? I just need to give my brain a break from nonfiction though :lol:


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Re: Space Migration or Archaic Revival? [Re: kydelic]
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kydelic said:
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You should smoke while you read this book too, best read well high ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_A_Strange_Loop



I've been wanting to read that for a while now, I'm guessing it is good then? I just need to give my brain a break from nonfiction though :lol:



It's great.  But if your brain needs a break from non fiction I guess I would wait on it.  It can be a little bit of a hard read sometimes.  But the challenge is pretty much a challenge to your abilities to comprehend abstract ideas.


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