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Fundamentalist Christians and Gays
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The fundies like to point to the Bible to promote their anti-gay agenda.

Interestingly enough, The Bible clearly dictates, not that homosexuals should merely be discriminated against, but killed.

Anyone want to tackle this discrepancy?


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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All things take time, ya know.

Sort of like how anti-Prohibitionists are lobbying for medical marijuana first, then lobbying for all-out legalization later.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: deCypher]
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Yeah, but by not putting gays to the sword, they are clearly disobeying God. There is no middle ground.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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:kodama:

Quote me the passage if you would, as well as the edition of the Bible. Never heard that.

then again, Im not fundamentalist nor gay...


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: Kickle]
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Leviticus 20:13 states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I always understood that most of the rules of the OT only apply to the Israelites since God saved them from the Egyptians.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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That's Old Testament, along with the prohibitions against eating shellfish and men cutting their hair and the requirement that women have to do certain things when they are menstruating. (Don't they have to go outside the village? Or stay indoors? I forget.)

I'm pretty sure that the New Testament has a different take on it, though I can't quote a verse right now. But I know that Jesus loves fags.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
The fundies like to point to the Bible to promote their anti-gay agenda.

Interestingly enough, The Bible clearly dictates, not that homosexuals should merely be discriminated against, but killed.

Anyone want to tackle this discrepancy?



I don't, why don't you tackle it?

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: Doc_T]
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Not only gays, but adulterers are to be put to the sword. Don't hear that pushed in church or on TV because everybody is busy shtupping everyone else.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Hmm, that's a tough one to defend.

Thanks for the source.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: falcon]
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Because I am neither insane nor a fundie. (Was that redundant?)


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Then you don't want to discuss this?
Why did you post this question?

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Because I am neither insane nor a fundie. (Was that redundant?)


Quite. :sadyes:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Fundamentalist Christians do not need to follow the Torah.  Your beef is with Orthodox Jews.

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: falcon]
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falcon said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
The fundies like to point to the Bible to promote their anti-gay agenda.

Interestingly enough, The Bible clearly dictates, not that homosexuals should merely be discriminated against, but killed.

Anyone want to tackle this discrepancy?



I don't, why don't you tackle it?



I shall tackle it in one sentence:  Their God is a God of Confusion, and a beastly one at that.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Leviticus 20:13 states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."


Do women fall under the category of mankind? or is there also a womankind


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Leviticus 20:13 states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."





Christians don't believe in moses's laws as alluded to earlier.  Christ rejected them "he who has not sinned shall cast the first stone..." and all that.


Then again they do like to cite that provision so I don't know.  One thing though, I've never heard any justification for that being authoritative at all.  That's just a bunch of shit moses said cuz he's a bigot.

I just don't get what that has to do with gay marriage or anything, but whatever.



Your right though, I really wonder how many christians actually read the bible.  I'm the only person I know whos read it and I know several christians.  I just don't get how anyone could use that book to justify anything.


The whole notion that I find ridiculous is the notion that the bible is all god's word but then the concurrant notion of christians that certain parts of gods word are bullshit (leviticus fo rexample) and don't need to be followed (except when they wnat to justify their actions, like the gay hating).


They can believe what they want, I just find it incredibly arrogant and deceitful to cite the bible in support of their positions when they ignore the portions they don't want and believe whole sections are meaningless.  I mean where did god say certain parts are more important to others?  And yet we don't have slavery and stonings and all sorts of other things the bible comands.  But if two guys want a government license all hell breaks loose.


The bible is almost meaningless, totally incoherent, and the manner in which christians cite its provisions to justify their beliefs is just indefensible.  Just read some christian philosophy sometime.  Its all these incredibly ridiculous deductions from vague biblical passages supporting some twats preconceived notions.  (check out the catholic justification for the pope and all that jazz for example... quite a stretch.)

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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: learningtofly]
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learningtofly said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Leviticus 20:13 states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."


Do women fall under the category of mankind? or is there also a womankind


Well, I guess the Bible doesn't technically say women can't lie with womankind as they lieth with men.  But for the most part it is agreed that "men" in the Bible means "men/women."  At the same time, this technical oversight could possibly be one of the reasons that Lesbianism is better accepted by the community at large, i.e. straight men like to watch women get it on with each other, but call homosexual men "fags," i.e. dry twigs who fuel the fire of God's wrath.

According to the dictionary on my Mac:
fagot: (British: faggot) - a bundle of sticks or twigs bound together as fuel.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: sterbeklang]
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lot of the time i find my self like really fucking annoyed with gay guys and fat lesbians that are all butch..its not because of their lifestyle choices but simply on the way they act..well i suppose i should say some for all you fags that get butthurt when i sterotype.


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Re: Fundamentalist Christians and Gays [Re: sterbeklang]
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Miss America runner-up may have lost crown over her belief in same-sex marriage. Gays in uproar. WTF do the gays care about some barbie doll's Christian beliefs?

"I guess God wanted me to lose the pageant," says Carrie Prejean.
No honey, it was Satan. :hellfire:


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