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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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And what is exactly BEYOND logic?
And where s the third eye located?
These assertions are FULL OF SHIT.
Blank words to fill in the gaps in thinking.

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And notice how almost every thread disintegrates to just you two making kissy faces as soon as either one of you chime in. Because you turn the thread into pointless bullshit. This is absurd and I don't see how it's in the boundaries of the rules.


I wonder why you would get bothered by it, since we both replied to the given topic as well. :wink:
:eek:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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Love Cap said:
if you haven't broken through and completely opened your third eye, then I can understand why you don't know what I'm talking about.


That is a bit presumptious, don't you think? :shocked:

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And notice how almost every thread disintegrates to just you two making kissy faces as soon as either one of you chime in. Because you turn the thread into pointless bullshit. This is absurd and I don't see how it's in the boundaries of the rules.


It is within the margins of not belonging, unless it gets drawn out, or someone else feels the need to constantly comment on all of these aspects of other people's personal nature. :lol:

Have you ever read into relaxation techniques?


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
And where s the third eye located?


I think it is in someone's left nostril... :strokebeard:

You have to be careful when you sneeze or your soul escapes! :shocked:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: fireworks_god]
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Yes, and materialists have chronic sinus infections.  :lol:

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: fireworks_god]
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That could easily explain why the Eskimos kiss the way they do


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: MushroomTrip]
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After reading the initial post, I really have no idea what you're trying to postulate.

An agnostic makes no assertations about the existence or non existence of the supernatural, given that no proof can be had to one conclusion or another. It's the spiritual branch of radical skepticism.

Atheism is the assertation that nothing supernatural exists.

As to which is the true religeon of science? What a dumb thing to assert. Gregor Mendel, the progenator of the field of heredity and thus genetics, was a Christian monk.

If anything, agnosticism would be the best faith for a scientist, the assertation that something may or may not be true, but not enough data exists to make a conclusion. Atheism, the insistance that the supernatural is not possible, isn't very scientific, as it comes to a firm conclusion with no evidence pro or con.


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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: crumblebum]
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who's to say that the supernatural doesn't come somewhere from space?! just a thought.

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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"Space" is part of the physical/natural world. Therefore, nothing that occurs in space could be considered supernatural, that is if you define the supernatural as being "above and beyond what is natural."

From wikipedia:

"Nature, in the broadest sense, is equivalent to the natural world, physical universe, material world or material universe."

Even if we flew to Jupiter and met an alien that could turn himself into any animal, simply by writing the animal's name down on a miniature chalk board, his actions would be still be natural, as they are occurring in the natural world and are still governed by the physical laws of the universe in which the hypothetical alien exists. We might not understand how the alien performs this feat, but that does not make it supernatural.

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: it stars saddam]
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I actually prefer this definition of supernatural: "of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or attributed to God or a deity." It seems whenever talk of the supernatural comes about, God tends to be rearing his ugly head in the background somewhere.

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: it stars saddam]
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it stars saddam said:
Even if we flew to Jupiter and met an alien that could turn himself into any animal, simply by writing the animal's name down on a miniature chalk board, his actions would be still be natural, as they are occurring in the natural world and are still governed by the physical laws of the universe in which the hypothetical alien exists. We might not understand how the alien performs this feat, but that does not make it supernatural.


right, so what i'm saying is, it is a possibility that everything supernatural, every part of imagination that has been imagined, could exist somewhere in space, in the natural world, or another realm... almost like imagination land! haha, kidding!

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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so i suppose that would mean that nothing is supernatural

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: crumblebum]
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I stated somewhere in here that what brought this thread originally was a poster in the science forum who claimed that he is agnostic because he hasn't found proof yet, but if there was scientific proof of God he would believe in God. This is agnosticism as I understood it, and as a dictionary spelled it out for me. If an alternate definition of agnosticism is that it is impossible to ever know that there is a God, then my post doesn't apply to that. I am simply trying to point out that if an agnostic thinks it is possible that we can find God, then that belief carries baggage with it that I have pointed out in this thread.

As far as scientists being religious: Yes it is true some scientists are religious, however that is their choice and they ignore the scientific method in that area of their life. That's fine, what I meant by choice for scientists was to apply logical reasoning to all areas of life which would exclude religion.

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: TheCow]
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I think science need to explore the reasoning for religion a lot further, and also, they need to explore more into psychedelics and the altered mind set.

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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A method (science) has no needs.

What is to prevent YOU from researching what you believe needs further exploring? Why should SOMEONE ELSE do what you feel is important?

*Note to audience: This is a variant on EgoDeath's "Why doesn't science research the UFO phenomenon?"*


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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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well, for one thing, complete knowledge isn't too easily available. for example, i have to PAY a lot of money for schooling to get deep into science. i'm doing so, but it's a long process. also, psychedelics aren't even legal to research soooo that's a problem in science.

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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They AREN'T legal to research?

Even the USA allows limited research... and countries with legalized psychedelics...


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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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eh you dont have to pay a lot to get into science.  Get yourself the following books:
Calculus, Vector Calculus, Linear algebra, intro to physics, mechanics, electromagnetism, quantum physics, and a book on chemistry if you want.    Youll be good to go. Hell Ill even tell you the best of each one of those if you want.  Itll run you a decent amount even for the used books, but is hardly a huge amount.

Or just go to a library :shrug:

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: TheCow]
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you have a point, and maybe i'll do so after i'm done with schooling... it sucks how much time it takes up, i haven't been able to do any outside reading..

...but no, mushrooms, lsd, dmt, none are even legal to research. fucked up isn't it?!

seems like anything to do with the mind should be very important to science

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: Love Cap]
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http://www.maps.org/research/

Welcome to the 21st Century :tongue:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Existence of Agnostics [Re: TheCow]
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I was just reading a book and I came across a passage that made me think of this thread. For what it's worth, here it is:

For T.H. Huxley, who coined the term in 1869, agnosticism was as demanding as any moral, philosophical, or religious creed. Rather than a creed, though, he saw it as a method realized through "the rigorous application of a single principle." He expressed this principle positively as: "Follow your reason as far as it will take you", and negatively as: "Do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable."

~Stephen Batchelor, Buddhism Without Beliefs


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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man.  For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire.  Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.

~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"

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Edited by WhiskeyClone (01/15/08 10:05 PM)

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