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On gayness
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Well I just wanted to get a sense of your opinions on gayness. I mean I know a lot of you feel it's disgusting (I get that, everyones entitled to their feelings). But I wanted your spiritual/psychological perspective more than anything. I am pretty gay, not feminine but I like guys more. I dont go on marches or go out every night to be sodomised by strangers, but I just ya know connect with guys in that way. I do however sense something very unhealthy in gay mentality, which is especially apparent when looking at gay porn, its a look but it represents a kind of complete lack of empathy, with also a look of contempt coupled with anxiety. It's hard to actually write down what I mean but if you check out a few pics you might see what I mean. It may just be that porn stars are all crack whores. Maybe I am just paranoid, it could be the top/bottom power dynamic bullshit lots of gay guys obsess over. In my opinion sex should just be a fun extension of conversation, not a predatory power game. Im rambling, your thoughts please! *waits for antifag PM's*

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Re: On gayness [Re: Andy21]
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It's no big deal. It is merely one's personal choice. For whatever reason, some are attracted to individual's from the same gender in a sexual manner, and they have the right to express that and to form relationships with each other. :wink:

I'm sure there are disadvantages and negative traits that may be apparent in some aspects of the gay society, but it is that way for everything. I'm not too aware of specificially what you are referring to, but I think it is important that individuals in a relationship simply be together in a natural way, and do not strain dynamics and identity issues within the relationship. :shrug:

My girlfriend and I are friends with a gay couple. I wouldn't exactly call them a "couple", but just two guys who seem to stick together through all the areas of the country they have lived in, all of the different guys that they end up fucking, etc. etc. etc. It isn't exactly a healthy relationship, and I've always wondered if it is that way for all gay people, but I think it is more reflective of simply those who maintain a sense of freedom to fuck around with the other guys at the bar (again, making me wonder if it is this way for all gay relationships :grin:).

I do not consider myself to be gay personally. I am not primarily attracted to guys in any way. The only odd thing about it is that there has been just a couple of guys throughout my life that I have been attracted to. We have fooled around with our friends a few times, never had anything stuck you know where :lol:, but there is something about the experience that is appealing. I don't concern myself with it, and its not my lifestyle.

I've never understood why its considered to be such an issue, and why people are so intolerant of it. The notion of conservative Christians crusading to maintain the sanctity of their man/woman marriage is ludicrous and tragically hilarious. Get over yourself, you fucking loon-jobs! :lol:

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Re: On gayness [Re: Andy21]
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Eww!  Fags are gross!  j/k :nut:

One of my best friends in High School was gay.  He certainly didn't fit the whole effiminate flamer stereotype.  I didn't have any problem with it.  In fact, I think we became better friends after he came out of the closet.  Later, I questioned my own sexuality, and even did some "experimenting."  I eventually realized that that life wasn't for me, but I've never regretted it, as it helped me to know myself better.

As for the gay porn thing, I've never really watched any(at least not deliberately), but I've heard that most of the guys in gay porn are actually straight, and gay porn just happens to pay better money than straight porn.


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Re: On gayness [Re: Andy21]
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Most hetero porn is like that, too.  :shrug:

I don't think that it has to do with sexual orientation, but the general neurosis surrounding sexuality in our society.  Since gay sex is even more taboo than hetero sex, the neurosis is more intense.

I say if everyone involved in the sex act is enjoying their experience, it's all good. :wink:

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Re: On gayness [Re: Veritas]
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I say if everyone involved in the sex act is enjoying their experience, it's all good.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: On gayness [Re: Icelander]
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I appreciate your replies guys, I have been lurking for a while and enjoy the level of your discussions. You seem to be for the most part very insightful people, with lots of empathy. Which is a step up from most every other board I have been to.  :thumbup:

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Re: On gayness [Re: Andy21]
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We tend to be a bit more responsible for our outlooks and viewpoints, and the expression and sharing of them. :grin:

After all, we owe it to ourselves and each other to truly seek a greater understanding and the means to express that understanding with like-minded individuals. :wink:

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Re: On gayness [Re: Andy21]
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The entire phenomenal universe is the interplay of the yin and yang forces.

According to The Yellow Emperor:

4. All beings and things in the universe are complex aggregates of universal energy composed of infinitely varying proportions of yin and yang.

6. Yin and yang attract one another.

7. Nothing is entirely yin or entirely yang; all phenomena are composed of both yin and yang.

9. The force of attraction between yin and yang is greater when the difference between them is greater, and smaller when it is smaller.

Men are more yang and women are more yin. It seems natural that they should be attracted to one another. I think it is part of human nature to be attracted to the opposite sex. I have no idea whether homosexuality is due to some sort of energy blockage or early psychological development issues or whether there is actually variation on human nature in some people, though I do lean towards the first two.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

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Re: On gayness [Re: dblaney]
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What you neglect is that you don't have one thing that is yin while the other is yang. Both energies exist within us all. Each of us has both masculine and feminine nature.


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Re: On gayness [Re: Andy21]
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I don't have a problem with gays as long as they stay the hell out of my way. 'Gay Pride' parades are kinda dumb if you ask me. I'm not gonna throw a 'Straight Pride' parade. They already have that, its called the strip club. I've actually found that gay clubs are a good place to meet women, though I do feel a bit like a minnow in a shark tank when I'm there.

anyway, I really don't give a shit what people do as long as they aren't fucking around with me personally. But ultimately I think male homosexuality is distasteful and unnatural. Of course, it exists within the natural universe so it really isn't unnatural, but you know what I mean. You know why gay people tend to be neat freaks? Because they have a subconscious desire to clean up their life, which is caused by the filthy behavior they indulge in.

I'm sorry, to each his own and again I will state I ultimately don't care what people do with themselves, but I don't think that anyone, man or woman, will ever be able to convince ME that sticking my dick in shit is a fun thing to do.

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Re: On gayness [Re: Silversoul]
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Nope, didn't neglect it, see numbers 4 and 7.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
I don't have a problem with gays as long as they stay the hell out of my way.  'Gay Pride' parades are kinda dumb if you ask me.  I'm not gonna throw a 'Straight Pride' parade. 


Of course you aren't, because your rights as an individual are not trampled upon. There aren't ignorant gay morons going around and tying up people for being straight and dragging them behind their cars. People aren't being cut up to the point where you couldn't tell if they were human or a deer simply because they were gay.

Where the fuck are you coming from? Ignorant la-la land? You seriously do not have a clue, and it is on issues like this that all of your petty, egotistical posturing are revealed to be incredibly pathetic. :wtf:

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But ultimately I think male homosexuality is distasteful and unnatural.... You know why gay people tend to be neat freaks?  Because they have a subconscious desire to clean up their life, which is caused by the filthy behavior they indulge in.


Baseless, ignorant bullshit. Holding such a view is hardly any better than those who hold similar views and choose to act upon it. :rolleyes:

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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Re: On gayness [Re: dblaney]
    #5661436 -

I think gayness is a direct result of all the pissing humanity has done in the human genome. Human beings have no sense of what is good for their race. They only have a sense of what is good for the self. Hence, they breed without purpose. They breed for themselves, not the good of the race. Hence, only the worst genetics get passed down. What you end up with is a human genome that resembles a twisted mutant with no ability or intelligence. A human genome that can't take care of itself. A human genome that ultimately destroys itself.

The gene pool is fucked because we've all been pissing in it for so many years. This is what creates unstable mutations that ultimately don't survive.

Of course, this isn't the fault of the gay individual, it is the fault of what he has inherited from those who preceded him.

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Re: On gayness [Re: fireworks_god]
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Of course you aren't, because your rights as an individual are not trampled upon. There aren't ignorant gay morons going around and tying up people for being straight and dragging them behind their cars. People aren't being cut up to the point where you couldn't tell if they were human or a deer simply because they were gay.


I don't support that! Why are you blaming me for something I've never done? Look, I have a lot of gay friends, some of the coolest people I have ever met were gay. I just don't share their taste! I guess that makes me a fucking fascist bigot doesn't it? I should go out and throw myself at a bunch of gay dudes so they can 'enlighten' me.

No I don't advocate killing gay people. I never have. I don't make fun of gay people. I don't ostracize them. I don't know where you are getting the ideas that I do. I only make decisions for ME, dude. I could give a flying fuck what everyone else does, as long as they don't hurt themselves or eachother.

If gay people have something in their brain that tells them to want men, then they should want men! I mean, everything exists for a reason. Its none of my business what they want. I don't have, nor do I want to have, anything to do with it.

There's a difference between having an opinion and being a bigot. Anyone can have an opinion. Its when you force it on others that you are a bigot.

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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
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Human beings have no sense of what is good for their race. They only have a sense of what is good for the self.

And what makes you different? What authority have you to make such a sweeping and lofty condemnation?

They breed for themselves, not the good of the race. Hence, only the worst genetics get passed down. What you end up with is a human genome that resembles a twisted mutant with no ability or intelligence.

You know, this logic reminds me alot of someone else in history...what was his name...oh yeah, Hitler.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
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I never blamed you for anything. You stated that Gay Pride marches were kind of dumb, and that we don't have straight pride marches. Such a statement seems entirely ignorant of the reasons why there would be Gay Pride marches, and I attempted to illustrate that in a visual manner.

Are civil rights marches dumb? Same difference.

Any scientific substantiation that being gay is the result of poor genetics? After all, genetics is entirely within the scientific realm. Any basis for your opinion?

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

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Re: On gayness [Re: fireworks_god]
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I didn't say poor genetics.  I said mutant genetics.  I'm a mutant, so I can't be too hard on the others. 

Time will tell if the mutation survives.  I don't see how it can if gays can't have children.  But then again, straight parents often have gay children. 

But whatever.  I really shouldn't have even gotten involved in this debate.  Its really none of my business.  I don't care either way. 

But I do think gays should look at themselves in the mirror more often. 

Oh yeah, and just about anyone who talks about genetics these days is labeled hitler.  Nice stereotype there.  We should stop studying the human genome to cure disease, because we sure don't want to be hitler!!!  :rolleyes:

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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5661579 -

There's a difference between having an opinion and being a bigot. Anyone can have an opinion. Its when you force it on others that you are a bigot.

Bigot (n)
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Seems to me that someone who considers himself a savior and up there with the likes of Jesus would be loving and accepting of EVERYONE. I can't really imagine Jesus going around saying "In the eyes of God, all are equal...well except for the gays, they can go fuck off and burn in hell."

While it's good you don't go around openly being a bigot and openly being intolerant, your statements do seem to reflect a deeper dislike of homosexuality:

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But ultimately I think male homosexuality is distasteful and unnatural.


(female on the other hand... :naughty: ?) :wink:

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You know why gay people tend to be neat freaks? Because they have a subconscious desire to clean up their life, which is caused by the filthy behavior they indulge in.


Perhaps you could be considered an "in the closet" bigot :grin:


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
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A lotta shit comes out of your mouth and you don't seem to mind that.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: On gayness [Re: dblaney]
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Oh yeah, and just about anyone who talks about genetics these days is labeled hitler. Nice stereotype there. We should stop studying the human genome to cure disease, because we sure don't want to be hitler!!!

..Not quite, just those who talk about how fucked up the gene pool is because of people not breeding for the good of the species; how the human genome has become a twisted mutant with no ability or intelligence. This is what Hitler thought. The only difference is he acted on it. And incidentally, so did the USA and probably other countries: eugenics and similar programs.

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Hence, only the worst genetics get passed down. What you end up with is a human genome that resembles a twisted mutant with no ability or intelligence. A human genome that can't take care of itself. A human genome that ultimately destroys itself.

The gene pool is fucked because we've all been pissing in it for so many years. This is what creates unstable mutations that ultimately don't survive.



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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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