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Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution'
    #1828650 - 08/19/03 04:24 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

From  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=101&e=17&u=/po/scientistcallsgaypeoplepinnacleofevolution:
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SUMMARY: While conservative groups dismiss homosexuality as "unnatural," a leading zoologist has said gay people could be seen as the "pinnacle of evolution."

At a time when religious and conservative right-wing groups are attempting to dismiss homosexuality as "unnatural," a leading zoologist has said gay people could be seen as the "pinnacle of evolution."

Speaking at the Edinburgh Book Festival, Clive Bromhall said that humankind's evolution has resulted in our present state of "infantilism," in which we break the primate mold by being playful, creative and childlike right into adulthood.

"From men's obsession with swollen breasts to our constant search for a pseudoparental God, everything about the human species is infantile," Bromhall said in a lecture.

"Like baby chimps, we have soft, downy bodies, flat faces and large, rounded heads. Like them, we too want to be kissed, cuddled and stroked; we remain playful, compliant and comparatively mild-mannered for the whole of our lives," he added.

Bromhall claims that infantilism is rejected by straight people as they age -- and that by remaining in same-sex relationships, gay men and women are actually displaying superiority over their peers.

"We've known for years that homosexuality is linked to a playful, creative character," he said.

"Homosexuals excel as artists, thespians and other playful, mimetic professions. Being playful is at the heart of being human. It's something that should be celebrated. You could say that homosexuals are at the pinnacle of human evolution."

Bromhall was speaking to promote his new book "The Eternal Child" at the festival.




Thoughts?

I've never thought of us as being superior, if anything, if there must be a reason for us to exist, I've thought of us as being mainly a form of population control, you know, to make up for the masses of straight people who couldn't keep it in their pants :wink:


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828656 - 08/19/03 04:29 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

you know, to make up for the masses of straight people who couldn't keep it in their pants

On average, gays have many more lovers and more frequent sexual encounters than heteros; so it seems gays have a much more difficult time "keeping it in their pants".


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: Swami]
    #1828659 - 08/19/03 04:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, but we don't contribute to overpopulation while we do it. And where do your statistics come from? Not doubting them, it's just been a while since I saw a study like that.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828666 - 08/19/03 04:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I have no link to the studies. I read the surveys many years ago while living in the SF Bay Area when AIDs first appeared and there was much discussion on closing down the gay bathhouses. I do not remember if the stats were local or country-wide, which would make quite a difference as SF is / was certainly an example of excess.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: Swami]
    #1828669 - 08/19/03 04:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if the number of guys who meet up in bathhouses is really that much higher than the number of guys and girls who go to bars and clubs and hook up from there, or who meet at parties and hook up from there, or who meet through dating online and hook up from there...etc.

Was the discussion you were referring to poised to support the "gays are the cause of AIDS" point of view? If so, seems like it would be 1) misinformed since the disease was pretty new at the time and 2) it was perhaps skewed to make it seem like it was a gay man's disease and that we needed to close down the breeding grounds for this disease. True, gay men did make up a disproportionate majority of HIV cases, but throughout the world it is hardly a gay man's disease.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828686 - 08/19/03 04:48 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if the number of guys who meet up in bathhouses is really that much higher than the number of guys and girls who go to bars and clubs and hook up from there.
Form what I heard, it was not uncommon to have a dozen different gay partners in a day. As a straight male, I have never had more than one partner in an evening; nor did I have the desire for more.

Was the discussion you were referring to poised to support the "gays are the cause of AIDS" point of view?
It wasn't as much finger pointing and moral judgement as it was trying to understand the rapid expansion of AIDs. In gay party places like Fire Island; whole groups were wiped out due to extreme partner swapping.

I found it fairly ironic during those times that gays were making so much noise for more AIDs funding; yet at the same time denying it was predominantly a gay disease; which it was in the USA. "Protect us!" they shouted; yet when the mayor of SF proposed closing the bathhouses, they were screaming about violation of civil rights even as they watched many friends dying.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828689 - 08/19/03 04:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

BTW, I think your zoologist's article is non-sensical. His case and definitions are so vague as to be meaningless.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828691 - 08/19/03 04:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know why exactly, but I can't help but think of that book 'The Time Machine' by Orsen Wells (?) The main character finds himself in the distant future and he sees this entire race of 'evolved' humans...who, incidently were eerily similiar to full grown versions of little kids (in the sense that they were obviously 'adults' for the most part, yet they were far too playful and fun-loving to really be taken seriously) But it's not until later on in the book that the truth of this so called 'superior' race is brought to life, and the main character realizes that they're really little more then the aristocratic types of today's society...or rather, what they've become after eons of being tended to hand and foot for god knows how long by the almost ape-like 'alternative' future humans who apparently evolved from the working class types that were cast out into underground cavers some time far off in the past.

Not that any of this really has anything to do with the topic at hand...this is just the first thing that popped into my head when I read the first post (and if that's not good enough for you, then I'll just have hop back into illogical land for a second here so I can slap you with my good ol' faithful "there are no stupid answers, just stupid people" remark)

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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1828703 - 08/19/03 04:59 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think the guy's article is nonsensical as well.

A dozen partners in a day!? That's a lot of sex. If anyone is having sex with twelve people a day, then they probably have a sexual addiction and they should seek help. There are heterosexual people as well as homosexual people with sexual addiction. I don't think I know anyone who has ever had twelve different partners in a day. Does anyone? That makes gay people sound like sex-crazed maniacs with nothing else on their minds; kind of like some straight people I know:)


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828723 - 08/19/03 05:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

if infantism is supirior I must be a GOD! There is nothing I crave more than sliding my dick back and forth in between a girls swollen breasteses as she cuddles, strokes, and playfully suckles me. Every girl is bi at heart.. Get 2 in your bed and youll know what I mean. Fag boys are livestock. There are many cultures who slaughter homoboys for meat daily. now THATS evolution.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: d4m0n]
    #1828729 - 08/19/03 05:23 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think that article is complete bullshit.

He talks about conservatism... so this article clearly displays the other end of that spectrum.

Homosexuals superior? Seems more like reverse discrimination to me, a mere defense tactic: fighting fire with fire. :thumbdown:

 


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828807 - 08/19/03 07:00 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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There are heterosexual people as well as homosexual people with sexual addiction.



Perhaps the idea that gays are more promiscuous comes from the fact that the HIV virus spreads more quickly if the recipient of the infected sperm is also equipped with a penis. It's more difficult for the virus to move from a vagina to another person.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1828831 - 08/19/03 07:52 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Interessting thought, but really its just that.

Though same sex sex, won't produce babies, it will also not
take away the want for babies, as more and more gay couples adopt.

So, na not superior, just humans like the rest of us :-)


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: Paid]
    #1828889 - 08/19/03 08:50 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

> gay people could be seen as the "pinnacle of evolution

For that to be true, gay people would need to be able to reproduce asexually, like bacteria.  Every text that I have read indicates that sexual reproduction was an evolutionary step up from asexual reproduction.  One might argue that medical science has progressed in the last twenty years far enough to provide artificial methods of sexual reproduction.  This would require that natural selection have worked towards this evolution  in less than a generation, which simply does not happen.

> Homosexuals excel as artists, thespians and other playful, mimetic professions.

Great... so why are artists more evolved than engineers, or trash collectors for that matter?  That trashman in Dilbert seems to be pretty damn smart... oh wait, that's a comic... silly me...

> From men's obsession with swollen breasts

Thank you for generalizing...

> and that by remaining in same-sex relationships, gay men and women are actually displaying superiority over their peers

Thank you for generalizing... I would like to see some research showing long term trends in relationships between hetrosexuals and homosexuals.


I have nothing again homosexuals, same sex marriages, etc... but when some Zoologist gets up and starts shouting that he is better than me because he is different, I am going to go for his kneecaps.  :grin:


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: Seuss]
    #1828933 - 08/19/03 09:36 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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.....but when some Zoologist gets up and starts shouting that he is better than me because he is different.....



I have always kinda wondered why gay people seemingly love to express their sexuality to *everyone* that comes within their general vacinity...whether it be with gay rights bumper stickers, or overly flambouyant keychains with choice little phrases like 'I'll suck your dick for a nickle, but you can suck mine for free', or by simply making a habbit of constantly making refferrence to their sexual preference at least a dozen times in any given conversation. I'm sorry, but I find something very unsettling about anyone who can't find anything better about themselves to brag about other then their sexual orientation. Sometimes it seems almost as if these people feel that that is the only thing in their lives that give them any worth. I mean, I'm proud to admit that my ass is exit only, but that doesn't mean I have to work it into every damn conversation I'm ever going to have...I'm sorry, but I find too many other things about myself far more interresting, and I always assume people would prefer to hear about those more then how much I love the pootang.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #1829052 - 08/19/03 10:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Mystical_Craven said:
I have always kinda wondered why gay people seemingly love to express their sexuality to *everyone* that comes within their general vacinity...




As someone a few posts above said...Generalization!

I too would like to see statistics on a good, unbiased, random sample of modern sexual behaviour and relationships of heterosexuals and homosexuals. I'll let you know when I find it.


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: neutralizer]
    #1829239 - 08/19/03 12:30 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That is weak. Personally, I find bisexual women to be the 'Pinnacle of Evolution.'


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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: Autonomous]
    #1829267 - 08/19/03 12:41 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I think bisexuals in general would be more evolved. They aren't bound by the limits of gender or sex. Is there a reason that bisexual women would be more evolved than bisexual men? Note, though, that I don't think the evolution we're talking about is really the same kind of evolution we learned about in schools (or didn't, thanks to the intelligent creationists).


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    #1829337 - 08/19/03 01:06 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Gay people are the 'Pinnacle of Evolution' [Re: poke smot!]
    #1829358 - 08/19/03 01:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That's why we want to adopt children so we can convert them to propogate our culture and agenda.


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