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fireworks_god said: So, what exactly is your point?
You really need me to spell it out? The human body is not suited for actions which
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Homosexuality's validity? Homosexuality is valid because it is a choice that a human being is capable of making. Your reasoning would support the statement that "Tattoos are not valid for a person because the skin tears blah blah blah".
That's not the context of validity I was talking about at all. Once again FWG is behind the grade, big suprise.
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The truth? The truth is that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. That makes it valid. Beneficial to an individual? Beneficial to another individual according to your own perspective? Debate that all you want. Don't throw the validity of something up in the air and implicate what you are alluding to.
No, that's a truth, not the truth of all angles of this discussion. I'm not talking about the lifestyle choice, or whether it's there to make.
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Is this to be interpreted as a subtle reference to creationism and a creator's intention? 
No it wasn't, nice of you to go all out on the drama tho.
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Where, exactly, are you fucking coming from? Way out from left field, perhaps? 
A place you're not too familiar with, let's call it Knowledge thru in depth study.
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Disco Cat said: You really need me to spell it out? The human body is not suited for actions which
It isn't suited for such actions, eh? By what standard? Comparison to the vagina? The body is not suited for oral sex then, either, eh? Are you aware that the vagina's walls can tear as well?
The human body tends to not be too well suited for dairy products either, eh? Big fucking deal. 
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That's not the context of validity I was talking about at all. Once again FWG is behind the grade, big suprise.
Oh, so you were discussing some topic that did not pertain to the actual subject being discussed then, great. Homosexuality, being gay, does not equal "anal sex", and the context of whether or not anal sex is natural does not really pertain to the discussion on being gay that is being held.
I apologize for assuming that you would have actually been discussing something of direct relevance to the topic. 
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No, that's a truth, not the truth of all angles of this discussion. I'm not talking about the lifestyle choice, or whether it's there to make.
Spell it out, pure and simple. Remember, you are dealing with a fucking moron here. What exactly is your point, then, if you are not discussing what I had assumed you were discussing?
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No it wasn't, nice of you to go all out on the drama tho.
Ahh, but it refered to a specific design and intended usage. Evolution, physical reality, does not have intention or specific design, simply different aspects that are what they are, and thus a notion of suitability.
So the anus is not as suitable as a vagina for insertion of the penis. Super. Thus, anal sex is not natural. Profound conclusion. Utterly profound. 
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A place you're not too familiar with, let's call it Knowledge thru in depth study.
So, you've studied, in depth, the nature of anal sex? Hhhm.... 
How in depth are we talking here? 
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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
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I mean, shouldn't homosexuals at least be sensitive to the fact that their sexual practices just seem wierd to a lot of people?
No. Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States of America does it say that you have a right not to be offended.
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Disco Cat said: One base fact people can think on: The vagina wall contains something around 90 cell layers to protect against disease, tearing and contamination. The anus has 2-3 layers of cells, tears easily, does not protect against disease, and contains no pleasure nerves.
Let's play your knowledge throughin-depth study game, shall we? After all, you've studied this in-depth, you know. 
Which is why your basic fact that people can think on is complete, unsubstantiated bullshit. Care to provide a basis for it?
The anus does not contain pleasure nerves? Hhmm... wow, that's interesting.
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The anus has a relatively high concentration of nerve endings and is an erogenous zone.
Can you discern the difference between "does not contain" and "relatively high", first and foremost?
Do you know what an erogenous zone is?
What is an erogenous zone?
Its a part of someone' body that has a heightened sense of stimulation, usually resulting in sexual reponse.
Hhhm... I wonder how an area of the body that you claim has no "pleasure nerves" (strange, I've never heard the phrase "pleasure nerve" before ) could be an erogenous zone. 
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Anal intercourse can be pleasurable for both the insertive partner and the receptive partner. For females, pleasure from anal intercourse is also thought to be related to the shared wall between the rectum and the vagina as well as the G-spot. For males, the tightness of the anus is often said to be a source of pleasure in penetrative anal sex, while the presence of the prostate gland near the rectal wall is generally seen as a source of pleasure during receptive anal intercourse. Other animals have also been observed practicing anal intercourse.
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Anal intercourse is a common human sexual activity.
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Anal stretching can stimulate the nerves around the anus and can be considered pleasurable. Care must be taken to maintain elasticity.
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All of us - men and women - have sensitive nerve endings in our anus and rectum, and these nerves enjoy stimulation as much as those in other "erogenous zones" do. In fact, stimulation of the anus at the time of orgasm often results in a much more intense orgasm.
Etc., etc., etc., etc. For sources, simply search "pleasure nerves in anus" with Google. It is very quick to access accurate information from credible sources in such a manner.
Perhaps if you spent less time attempting to put me down with clumsy insults and more time with your in-depth studying, you would have some actual facts to share with us? 
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Re: On gayness [Re: Redstorm]
#5663634 - 05/23/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: I mean, shouldn't homosexuals at least be sensitive to the fact that their sexual practices just seem wierd to a lot of people?
I think that black people should be sensitive to the fact that some white people cannot stand the sight of niggers and should stay indoors.

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One base fact people can think on: The vagina wall contains something around 90 cell layers to protect against disease, tearing and contamination. The anus has 2-3 layers of cells, tears easily, does not protect against disease, and contains no pleasure nerves.
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The vaginal wall consists of three layers: a) an inner mucous type stratified squamous cell epithelium supported by a thick lamina propia, that undergoes hormone-related cyclical changes, b) the muscularis composed of outer longitudinal smooth muscle fibers and inner circular fibers, and c) an outer fibrous layer, rich in collagen and elastin, which provides structural support to the vagina.
http://www.bumc.bu.edu/Dept/Content.aspx?DepartmentID=371&PageID=7131
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anoderm
lining of the anal canal immediately inferior to the dentate line and extending for about 1.5 cm. to the anal verge; it is devoid of hair and sebaceous and sweat glands, and so is not true skin, although it is squamous epithelium; it is pale, smooth, thin, and delicate, and shiny when stretched; it is especially vulnerable to abrasion (as from rough toilet paper), chemical irritants (soaps), and is well-provided with tactile and nociceptive (pain, itch) endings innervated by the inferior rectal (pudendal) nerve.
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Anoderm
In addition, anal penetration stimulates the prostate gland in males & the Grafenberg spot in females, potentially resulting in very intense orgasms. (I can assert that this is true from my very in-depth personal studies. )
The vagina is much more vulnerable to tearing and disease than the penis, so does that mean that women were not designed to have sex?
Your information is bogus, and your inferences baseless. Try again.
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Re: On gayness [Re: Redstorm]
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I mean, shouldn't homosexuals at least be sensitive to the fact that their sexual practices just seem wierd to a lot of people?
No. Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States of America does it say that you have a right not to be offended.
I wouldn't want that right.
all I'm saying is that if homosexuals want us to be sensitive to them, then they should be sensitive to us.
I mean, when I go visit my grandma, I don't make a big display of all the wierd shit I'm into, or at least I try not to these days. I'm sensitive to her old-world ways, or at least I try to be. I know that my grandmother would find it offensive that I smoke pot, listen to heavy metal, and generally live like a freaky beatnick. Thats why I don't rub it in her face that I do these things. I try to connect with her on common ground.
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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
#5664230 - 05/23/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it's going to be that way, I expect that heterosexuals will keep their displays of affection for the opposite sex private and will not act "too hetero" around gays.
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Re: On gayness [Re: Redstorm]
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Exactly, his reasoning is flawed. Apparently diversity should not be celebrated.
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Re: On gayness [Re: Redstorm]
#5664270 - 05/23/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I hate them goddamned straights...always celebrating their weddings, signing their spouses up for health insurance, adopting kids easily, flaunting their heterosexuality in public. I mean, really, do they think that we want to see that crap?
What they do in private is their business, but they should keep it out of our legal system, and keep it between the sheets with the lights out and the blinds closed! Quit flaunting your sickness, straight people!
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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
#5664305 - 05/23/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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But on the other hand, I'm not going to be all for it when some flamer comes around. I mean, when I see someone who is obviously gay to the point that they are letting everyone know it with every breath they take, I can't help but think about what they do. And it creeps me out. Thinking about that literally makes me shudder.
You have just come across as being someone who is obviously repulsed by gays to the point that you are letting everyone know about it with every breath you take in this thread.
Wasn't jesus quite a tolerant guy? Love thy neighbour? Love thy enemy? Wasn't Jesus' central message essentially tolerance, acceptance and love? What does jesus tell Mr J to think about homosexuals?
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Re: On gayness [Re: mr_kite]
#5664515 - 05/23/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jesus said: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34
By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. John 13:35
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Mark 12:31
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matthew 5:44
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Re: On gayness [Re: Veritas]
#5664562 - 05/23/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: On gayness [Re: Veritas]
#5665299 - 05/23/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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One base fact people can think on: The vagina wall contains something around 90 cell layers to protect against disease, tearing and contamination. The anus has 2-3 layers of cells, tears easily, does not protect against disease, and contains no pleasure nerves.
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The vaginal wall consists of three layers: a) an inner mucous type stratified squamous cell epithelium supported by a thick lamina propia, that undergoes hormone-related cyclical changes, b) the muscularis composed of outer longitudinal smooth muscle fibers and inner circular fibers, and c) an outer fibrous layer, rich in collagen and elastin, which provides structural support to the vagina.
http://www.bumc.bu.edu/Dept/Content.aspx?DepartmentID=371&PageID=7131
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anoderm
lining of the anal canal immediately inferior to the dentate line and extending for about 1.5 cm. to the anal verge; it is devoid of hair and sebaceous and sweat glands, and so is not true skin, although it is squamous epithelium; it is pale, smooth, thin, and delicate, and shiny when stretched; it is especially vulnerable to abrasion (as from rough toilet paper), chemical irritants (soaps), and is well-provided with tactile and nociceptive (pain, itch) endings innervated by the inferior rectal (pudendal) nerve.
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Anoderm
In addition, anal penetration stimulates the prostate gland in males & the Grafenberg spot in females, potentially resulting in very intense orgasms. (I can assert that this is true from my very in-depth personal studies. )
The vagina is much more vulnerable to tearing and disease than the penis, so does that mean that women were not designed to have sex?
Your information is bogus, and your inferences baseless. Try again.
Whoa there, I talked in layers of cells, any number of which can be contained in just 1 of those layers you mentioned. I'm going to give your perception skills the benefit of the doubt and presume that you knew you were twisting my comment in an attempt to refute it.
Go ask a doctor which will tear more easily. If you don't sound silly to everyone in the thread for claiming that the anus is better protected then that means there's a lot of uneducated people here. The anus tears easily, and that is a great entry for std's. In addition, it is possibly to cause permenant damage to the rectum from anal sex.
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Re: On gayness [Re: DoctorJ]
#5665334 - 05/23/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you suffer from homophobia. Not in a literal sense of bigotry, but a clinical one of irrational fear. You seem genuinely uncomfortable and pathologically-minded being around self-identified homosexuals, which I doubt is at all natural.
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Stratified epithelium: two to many cell layers
* Stratified squamous Keratinized (cornified, dry) --surface cells non-nucleated and dead with cell membranes indistinct. (example: Epidermis)
Non-keratinized (non-cornified, moist) --surface cells are nucleated and alive with cell membranes more distinct. (examples: oral cavity, esophagus, anus, vagina, etc)
Anal and vaginal tissues are the same type of tissue, with the same type of cellular structure. You have provided no support for your assertions regarding either the physical nature of these tissues OR the "appropriateness" of their use in sexual intercourse.
Many types of sexual contact are possible, pleasurable and desireable to humans. To use inaccurate anatomical claims in order to prove the point that some types of sex are OK and some are not is absurd.
I did not claim that the anus was better protected than the vagina, I said that it was equally vulnerable. I claimed that the penis was better protected and more resistant to tearing. Since the penis is obviously designed for sexual intercourse, and the vagina is not, women should not have sex. Only male-male manual intercourse is designed to avoid all STD's and tearing, so it must be the only appropriate method. 
Give me a break. If you and your partner have not tested clean for STD's, you should be using a condom. If you use lubrication and a condom, it matters little where you stick it. (Except subjectively, of course. )
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Re: On gayness [Re: Veritas]
#5665396 - 05/23/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think this whole debate about anal sex is a farce. If anal sex is unnatural, oral sex might as well be regarded as such. One might as well just say sex with the purpose of procreation is the only natural form of sexuality if they're going to contend that certain parts of the body are off-limits for sexual expression. If anal sex is unnatural, whose to say oral sex is? Or french kissing? Or anything else people do with other people for sensual pleasure
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Disco Cat said: One base fact people can think on: The vagina wall contains something around 90 cell layers to protect against disease, tearing and contamination. The anus has 2-3 layers of cells, tears easily, does not protect against disease, and contains no pleasure nerves.
Let's play your knowledge throughin-depth study game, shall we? After all, you've studied this in-depth, you know. 
Which is why your basic fact that people can think on is complete, unsubstantiated bullshit. Care to provide a basis for it?
The anus does not contain pleasure nerves? Hhmm... wow, that's interesting.
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The anus has a relatively high concentration of nerve endings and is an erogenous zone.
Can you discern the difference between "does not contain" and "relatively high", first and foremost?
Do you know what an erogenous zone is?
What is an erogenous zone?
Its a part of someone' body that has a heightened sense of stimulation, usually resulting in sexual reponse.
Hhhm... I wonder how an area of the body that you claim has no "pleasure nerves" (strange, I've never heard the phrase "pleasure nerve" before ) could be an erogenous zone. 
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Anal intercourse can be pleasurable for both the insertive partner and the receptive partner. For females, pleasure from anal intercourse is also thought to be related to the shared wall between the rectum and the vagina as well as the G-spot. For males, the tightness of the anus is often said to be a source of pleasure in penetrative anal sex, while the presence of the prostate gland near the rectal wall is generally seen as a source of pleasure during receptive anal intercourse. Other animals have also been observed practicing anal intercourse.
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Anal intercourse is a common human sexual activity.
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Anal stretching can stimulate the nerves around the anus and can be considered pleasurable. Care must be taken to maintain elasticity.
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All of us - men and women - have sensitive nerve endings in our anus and rectum, and these nerves enjoy stimulation as much as those in other "erogenous zones" do. In fact, stimulation of the anus at the time of orgasm often results in a much more intense orgasm.
Etc., etc., etc., etc. For sources, simply search "pleasure nerves in anus" with Google. It is very quick to access accurate information from credible sources in such a manner.
Perhaps if you spent less time attempting to put me down with clumsy insults and more time with your in-depth studying, you would have some actual facts to share with us? 
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FWG, another post demostrating you incapacity to put 2 + 2 together. It's funny that I was even going to post this myself earlier:
"Anal intercourse can be pleasurable for both the insertive partner and the receptive partner. For females, pleasure from anal intercourse is also thought to be related to the shared wall between the rectum and the vagina as well as the G-spot. For males, the tightness of the anus is often said to be a source of pleasure in penetrative anal sex, while the presence of the prostate gland near the rectal wall is generally seen as a source of pleasure during receptive anal intercourse. Other animals have also been observed practicing anal intercourse."
as it explained where the stimulation in anal sex comus from, which is not directly from nerves
"Pleasure nerves" was making it basic because I don't know if people are familiar with terms and unlike you I do not care to impress by a linguistic demonstration.
Nerves does not equal pleasure, and the anus receives its erogenous zone quality from a source that is not actually in the anus, or lining the anus. The anus does not even require penetration to stimulate the prostate gland.
I shouldn't even bother commenting on the quality of your rediculous post but let's get real hear, FWG - you appear to be a basement philosopher withought schooling who seems to not even understand the implications of the material he posts himself - such as the above quote, which is in support of my post. It somewhat seems that you will assume any thought that pops into your head is the final verdict on a subject. I think you have poor deciphering skills and rely on post sabotaging rather than bringing factual information to the table and then giving it a proper analysis.
I just put the creases out of your last post. Notice that I explain things in a manner that increases understanding. Notice that your post was nothing but dull jabs on my post and out of context information without discernment to its meaning.
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Re: On gayness [Re: Veritas]
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Stratified epithelium: two to many cell layers
* Stratified squamous Keratinized (cornified, dry) --surface cells non-nucleated and dead with cell membranes indistinct. (example: Epidermis)
Non-keratinized (non-cornified, moist) --surface cells are nucleated and alive with cell membranes more distinct. (examples: oral cavity, esophagus, anus, vagina, etc)
Anal and vaginal tissues are the same type of tissue, with the same type of cellular structure. You have provided no support for your assertions regarding either the physical nature of these tissues OR the "appropriateness" of their use in sexual intercourse.
Many types of sexual contact are possible, pleasurable and desireable to humans. To use inaccurate anatomical claims in order to prove the point that some types of sex are OK and some are not is absurd.
I did not claim that the anus was better protected than the vagina, I said that it was equally vulnerable. I claimed that the penis was better protected and more resistant to tearing. Since the penis is obviously designed for sexual intercourse, and the vagina is not, women should not have sex. Only male-male manual intercourse is designed to avoid all STD's and tearing, so it must be the only appropriate method. 
Give me a break. If you and your partner have not tested clean for STD's, you should be using a condom. If you use lubrication and a condom, it matters little where you stick it. (Except subjectively, of course. )
Who am I to say what's OK or not? I will only say how something works from a biological level, you do what you want with that. The anus is more vulneravle than the vagina because it tears more easily and it is thru these tears that diseases enter. Having the same method of protection does not mean that protection is provided to the same level.
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Since the penis is obviously designed for sexual intercourse, and the vagina is not, women should not have sex. Only male-male manual intercourse is designed to avoid all STD's and tearing, so it must be the only appropriate method. 
Your conclusion is not one that I share, neither is the rediculous information that you used to reach that conclusion. So if that's an attempt to mock what I do think then it obvously falls flat on its face since it can't be related. Oh ya, if you make up some garbage and then pretend that the other person is the one who supports that belief it makes them look silly... wait, no, it shows something unflattering about yourself. Grow up a little.
And I would not use terms such as "natural" or "unnatural" except that they were already in use in the thread as the going terms. I might say the biological body shows no signs of provision for homosexual relations whereas it does when it comes to heterosexual relations.
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