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Stoopid Design
    #4712974 - 09/26/05 07:40 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

There is a 'theory' going around that says the human body was designed by an intelligent entity: Intelligent Design. (Note that I use the word 'theory' loosely as the proposal doesn't meet the requirements for a theory, but that's another thread.) I don't understand how some people can come to embrace this 'theory' given the stoopid design of the human body.

For example:

-A useless and sepsis-prone appendix near the end of the gastrointestinal tract that can, and often does, become infected. In pre-surgery times, people routinely died in horrific pain from appendicitis. Today appendicitis can be fixed, if you happen to be near a hospital, but I have to wonder what incompetent member of the engineering team made this giant blunder?

-Wisdom teeth in the back of the jaw that cannot be used for chewing and that frequently grow in misaligned causing pain, inflammation, infection and in pre-surgery days, even death. Even with modern dentistry, having these useless things removed is painful. The engineer who put those there should be fired after being tortured with a dentist's drill.

-Tonsils (lymphatic nodes) in the throat of all places where they're likely to become clogged and infected. Lymph nodes have no place in a throat, especially when they could have just as easily been placed under the skin behind the neck. In that position, they'd be less likely to become infected and require removal. Another dumb-ass engineering decision that should never have been made.

-Error prone DNA transcription chemistry that causes random errors requiring even more complicated cancer-detecting chemistry to catch those errors and kill cancer cells before they become cancers. Naturally, sometimes this stoopid two-part system of transcription fucks up and voila, we have an innocent child dieing of leukemia.

-Poorly-designed skin that can't even protect well from the most prevalent type of radiation on the planet, sunlight. Why didn't they assign the alligator engineer to the human skin project? At least then the design specifications for human skin would have likely been correctly set to accommodate the sunny conditions humans are supposed to live in.

-As for lifespan, the human body ages very ungracefully. It develops all sorts of aches and pains, gets wrinkles, bad knees, arthritis and so on. A competent biochemist could have made humans last several hundred years at least, and without parts wearing out in such an undignified way.

There are more design issues I want to take up with the engineering team, but they'll have to wait because I'm off to breakfast which is yet another huge faux-pas design: requiring food three times a day rather than use an efficient, high energy-density system to power the human body. This interrupts productive work, study, and recreation about 90,000 times during the average human lifespan and requires the heartless slaughter of food animals.

Edit: Adding things as they occur to me.

My breakfast companion is diabetic; she was born that way. This is yet another giant design flaw that caused her clumsy immune system to misidentify her pancreas as a foreign body and destroy her ability to make insulin. So this stoopid design condemned her to a life absent such yummy things as pancakes and syrup for fear of losing a limb to gangrenous amputation as often happens to people with poorly-controlled diabetes.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713011 - 09/26/05 08:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

God works in mysterious ways... all of these design elements have a higher purpose that we mere mortals cannot begin to fathom...

and fairies fly out of my ass


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4713037 - 09/26/05 08:59 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have gas faries also. I think I eat too much fiber.

As far as intelligent design goes. Who knows :grin: That's what I like about the Taoist approch to things.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713419 - 09/26/05 12:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You forgot to mention having the testicles out in the open, protected only by a thin layer of skin.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Silversoul]
    #4713442 - 09/26/05 12:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That's actually a necessity. Sperm production doesn't happen at body temp, instead it has to occur a few degrees COLDER than body temp. The reason for having them in a thin sac is that it can better control the temperature - stretch out and get really thin when the boys are too warm, or tighten up and hold the jewels closer to the body heat when they get too cold. If our testicles were internal, none of us would be fertile :smirk:


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713450 - 09/26/05 12:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

(before I type anything, I think you know that I agree with you, Diploid...but I'll play devil's advocate anyway)

While a good list...none of those "prove" that humans (or anything else) wasn't created by an intelligent being. There could be reasons for all these "stupid designes" that we mere mortals are not privy to.

I mean...when you're dealing with a God, anything is possible :wink:


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: trendal]
    #4713453 - 09/26/05 12:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Unexcusable. The designer should have designed sperm capable of living at higher temperatures.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713472 - 09/26/05 12:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Diploid... if it is flaws you seek, it is flaws you will find.

If you had a brand new ferrari with one little scratch on the back bumper, wouldn't you still think "Hey, that's a pretty fucking nice car I've got there..."?

If someone built a robot that can walk, talk, think, feel, and self-balance, wouldn't you be impressed?

Or would you be too busy pointing out the fact that they should have made it out of a stronger metal... or they should have included four arms instead of two... or that it should have a place for you to keep your spare change?

Will you ever just appreciate the miracle of life without finding some little clause of a reason to dismiss the great marvel before you?

I mean... what are you looking for, man? Some fairy tale version of perfection?

You've got life... an incredibly complex system of intricate details that results in our very existance as perceiving and conscious beings. That isn't good enough? That isn't impressive? Can you not marvel at that instead of finding reasons not to?

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I guess my point is simply that you can't draw a conclusion like 'there's no such thing as intelligent design' from the fact that there are flaws in the design.

My Mac has a few little glitches in it here and there, but I'd still call it intellegently designed.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: trendal]
    #4713488 - 09/26/05 12:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Sperm production doesn't happen at body temp

You're right. All the more indication that the Designer of the universe was a moron. Had he set the 20 or so constants that define the rates of chemical reactions slightly differently and tweaked intra-atomic forces just slightly, testicles could have been stored internally where they're well protected.

Instead, he doomed all males on Earth to experience their first taste of true pain in the crotch. Very shortsighted design indeed.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713503 - 09/26/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Very shortsighted design indeed.

Maybe he intended it as a defense mechanism for females? :grin:


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4713507 - 09/26/05 12:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Diploid... if it is flaws you seek, it is flaws you will find.

I'm not seeking flaws. I'm just pointing out that if life was designed, then the designer really sucked at his job. I'd bet if I were given the job, I wouldn't have made so many glaringly obvious mistakes.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: trendal]
    #4713510 - 09/26/05 12:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe he intended it as a defense mechanism for females?

LOL!  You got me there! :thumbup:


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713561 - 09/26/05 12:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Here another one: Siamese Twins.

Now there's a huge engineering fuckup. Occasional twins are a cool surprise, kudos to the Designer, but the functional test team really missed the ball by not catching the bug that leads to Siamese twins. I'll bet whoever was responsible for this works for Microsoft today.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713584 - 09/26/05 12:46 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
I'd bet if I were given the job, I wouldn't have made so many glaringly obvious mistakes.




What qualifies as a mistake?

That's such a foolish statement.

Let's say you were designing a new computer game, the first of it's kind... with nothing to compare it to, how would you know when you made a mistake? You wouldn't. It's relative. There is no RIGHT defined yet, so how can you do it wrong?

We are the only humans that exist. To come up with flaws, you're comparing us to an imaginary race in your head that is just like humans, but without the flaws you point out.

How does this make sense?

It's like saying ducks are flawed because they don't come equipped with scuba diving equipment.

Nevermind the fact that they can swim right after they come out of the egg... without an oxygen tank strapped to their back they're obviously flawed!


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713599 - 09/26/05 12:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Do we know the use of everything ?

What about a best design to compensate and follow environmental changes and developement ?

Perhaps all those things were for the use in the past, or will be important in the future ? :grin:
But even in the now, we know too less about the funktions of everything, designed by evolution and nature.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4713649 - 09/26/05 12:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What qualifies as a mistake?

Something that detracts from the end product.

Shortcomings in the 'design' of human DNA transcription puts children with leukemia in the hospital to await a horrifically painful death with little hope for a cure.

This is a mistake in my book.  :thumbdown:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


Edited by Diploid (09/26/05 01:59 PM)


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4713656 - 09/26/05 01:00 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Let's say you were designing a new computer game, the first of it's kind... with nothing to compare it to, how would you know when you made a mistake? You wouldn't. It's relative. There is no RIGHT defined yet, so how can you do it wrong?

So you're saying that God (designer) was inexperienced and that's why he fucked up so much? Alright...


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713693 - 09/26/05 01:08 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

How about the atavism where some genes get 'accidently' turned on during fetal development.

Guess what this group of genes does, which is turned off in normal circumstances?

Gill slits. That's right, the individual will have 5 slits of skin on either side of their neck upon birth. They have to be sewn up so they don't get infected.

That is an interesting twist God through into the mix.


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713739 - 09/26/05 01:21 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

picky picky


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Re: Stoopid Design [Re: Diploid]
    #4713794 - 09/26/05 01:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

although i agree with you more than not, just because you can't see the reason does not mean it doesn't exist.


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