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Offlineatomikfunksoldier
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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: EvilGir]
    #1570060 - 05/22/03 08:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)


"The thing is, we could really be living in a matrix-type world and we wouldn't know it."

you know that the matrix is a metaphor, and a reference to buddhism right?


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1570080 - 05/22/03 08:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

For sure the matrix is a metaphor. Why buddhism though? I was thinking along the lines that it is a metaphor for the materialist culture.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: Revelation]
    #1570171 - 05/22/03 08:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I was thinking more of a buddism meets science its like this. We are just in a dream world we have created by our own minds which is based on an interpritation of inside a blackhole which we are trapped in. I think the key to escape this trapp is technology and there is a cycle of if we dont find a way out this centuary the whole population of the human race will be destroyed and we all have to start from the beginning like climbing the karmic ladder from insect to fish to mammel until we have another civilisation to create a technology to aid us to escape. Juts one thing how do you know there wasent another civilisation like ours over 1 million years ago they could of even been more advanced.



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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: EvilGir]
    #1570230 - 05/22/03 09:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Wouldn't we find traces of them?


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: atomikfunksoldier]
    #1570328 - 05/22/03 10:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Not just buddhism, christianity, and many more!

if you don't believe me, or can't see it, go to the philosiphical section at the website: www.whatisthematrix.com


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1570422 - 05/22/03 10:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, neo represents the christ figure, but the actual "matrix" is strictly buddhism.

i.e. we live in a sensory fantasy world in which our sensory selves are all an illusion.

crazy indians......what will they come up with next?


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: EvilGir]
    #1570491 - 05/22/03 11:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

as for drugs, there is a scene with a hookah...

also, I think that the analysis that started this thread is premised on the "matrix within the matrix" theory because why wouldn't the machines just kill neo'x real body? just flush him, instead of wipe his mind.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: Malachi]
    #1570604 - 05/22/03 11:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

They wouldn't kill him because they need him to keep the rest of the humans alive.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1571728 - 05/23/03 10:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

why would the survival of the other humans depend on neo's survival?

as for the matrix being a buddhist metaphor, the idea of a transcendent realm can be found in any religion, from both pantheistic and monotheistic, and in plato's philosophy. it's not confined to a particular tradition.

running with the buddhist interpretation though, would the matrix be zen or world-denying?


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1571729 - 05/23/03 10:41 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

maybe the architect is just another product of the matrix, trying desperately to con Neo into destroying himself and Zion.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: Malachi]
    #1571865 - 05/23/03 12:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Im not thinking of the scene with the hookah, or when the mention mescaline (the only way to fly, as they put it?)

Im talking about how they talk about love in many scenes and cake scene.
Causality


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: johnnyfive]
    #1573591 - 05/24/03 12:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)


I guess I didn't understand the whole causality thing in the movie. Could you possably get some more text of the Matrix Reloaded that was about causality?

I would, but you allready know where to find it. :tongue:


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1577027 - 05/25/03 10:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I just got back from seeing this movie and I came up with the theory that all "realities" we've seen in these movies are matrix-like setups built by MEN to keep the machines at bay.... like sometime in the future the machines started getting out of hand, but we pulled this matrix out on them and fooled them into thinking that THEY were taking over, just to keep them from doing any real damage - kind of like what they believe they're doing to us in the matrix...  I don't know if that's how it will really unfold but I thought it was an interesting idea heh.. all of these people could not exist at all :wink: Neo is "The One," the one function/program/plugin or whatever that keeps the machines from realizing that they are still fighting in a virtual world.

But that's just one take.... as for how I think it will really be - I think you guys are on the right track when you say that the scene where Neo stopped the sentinals was a sign that they are in another matrix - he WILL destroy ZION as the Architect said - what the architect didn't mention was that this could be very bad news for the Architect because without Zion all the people who at least THINK they're awake and have broken into this other level of the matrix in the past can attempt to cause problems now in the "main" matrix, where most people are wired into..

once again, though, that's just another take :wink: I don't think it will be disappointing :smile:


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #1582382 - 05/27/03 08:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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(the mother and father of the Matrix, according to Reloaded)

Id have to disagree and say that the oracle wasn't the mother of the matrix, she herself was a program hacking a program. im probilby wrong here. She could be another source of control?

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Considering the Architect was the one that said that, I don't think it is up for debate.




nope... the architect didnt say it... and thats what has been fucking with my mind this whole time... is the oracle the mother of the matrix, or not? remember that the architect only talks about a "lesser mind" a "more intuitive", etc. but never says its actually the oracle... in response neo asks "the oracle?" and the architect only says "please!"... in a weird kind of ironic way... which kind of makes me doubt if the oracle is really the mother of the matrix and is doing everything she does (givin all those clues and prophecies) in order to help the architect de-bug the matrix whith every time it is reloaded... or if the oracle is actually some kind of program that doesnt play with the system... this second option is the one that teases me the most, because that would imply that she actually could be right about neo beeing the one (and all the ones that come before him)... and this could translate into neos ability to control the real world...

also, im not quite sure the other "ones" that came before keaneo didnt have two choices... i actually think they did... except that the door to the left didnt include the existance of a loved being (in this case trinity)... but simply involved going back to the matrix causing the destruction of zion and the death of all mankind...

but i definitely like the idea of zion beeing a place for the people that dont accept the matrix... whew it is actually quite a pickle hehehe... now i understand why the wachowsky brothers wanted to bring out revolutions only a month and a half after reloaded... this movie is so confusing that you NEED the third part to understand... damnit warner brothers why did they have to schedule revolutions for november??? only to make money... but well... either way, we will see in the third part... i can hardly wait...


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: In(di)go]
    #1596848 - 05/31/03 08:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

humans like to label things.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: shr00m]
    #1613874 - 06/06/03 04:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Too true.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #16096169 - 04/16/12 04:28 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Cool post, I forget so much about these but wanna watch it all again now.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: Linus]
    #16096305 - 04/16/12 06:26 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

In the interest of being concise, isn't it easier to say that if all we say and do can be used against us, then how we proceed to resolve conflict is what shapes the conditions of our individual or group futures. Neo and gang choose violence.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #16096781 - 04/16/12 11:02 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

More an interesting story on how much free will do we have anyway and how real is our "reality"? with lots of expensive SFX and splosions shoehorned in.


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Re: Matrix Reloaded True Meaning/ Transcript of Neo/Architect [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #16096901 - 04/16/12 11:52 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

What about the third choice: Kill the Architect.
It seems like the obvious choice for me :confused:


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