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How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory?
    #4642527 - 09/10/05 04:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is a serious question, and I'm very curious. Although I personally think that IDT is full of shit, I do believe in the divinity of all natural phenomenon. And if this theory CAN be scientifically proven I will humble myself and say to everyone "I stand corrected".

This thread is NOT for a debate about IDT, so please don't start arguing the specifics of IDT vs. Evolution.

This thread is for the discussion of HOW IDT could/would be tested and confirmed as a legitimate scientific idea. What evidence actually SUPPORTS IDT (I'm NOT asking for evidence which simply discredits evolution, that does not PROVE IDT)?

Okay.... GO!


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4642538 - 09/10/05 04:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

By looking for the creator of course


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4642552 - 09/10/05 04:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

by experiencing it? :P


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4642582 - 09/10/05 05:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You are intelligent, you can design things and you can create life. Your ability to do this evolves. You evolve.

Why does ID have to be opposed to evolution? Why can't evolution be a part of ID?

You are your proof, like gomp said.  :smile:


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4642632 - 09/10/05 05:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Intelligent design is not a theory. It is creationism renamed.

Creationism is a story, not a theory. How can one test that? Either you believe the story or you don't...


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4642659 - 09/10/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
Intelligent design is not a theory. It is creationism renamed.

Creationism is a story, not a theory. How can one test that? Either you believe the story or you don't...




then what is it a hypothesis? how do you call it in scientific terms?


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4642675 - 09/10/05 05:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
Intelligent design is not a theory. It is creationism renamed.

Creationism is a story, not a theory. How can one test that? Either you believe the story or you don't...




Supose you find a funny shaped stone in nature, some say man carved it, others say it's one of those natural stones that look different by coincidence.

Are you saying that you can only verify if it was made by coincidence in nature, and not verify if it was carved by humans?


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4642692 - 09/10/05 05:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Lunar,

Do you believe you slept in your bed last night? Is it a theory? Is it a fact you can prove? Is it something you know you did because, you experienced it for yourself and need no proof?

Did you create your garden and design it yourself, or is it just a story you tell people. Taking pictures of garden, just means it's there. Do you have video tape to prove you created it?

Do you have video tape of what happened before the Big Bang?

ID is not creationism renamed. Creationism is a story from the Bible. Theory are many people who experience the evolution of the Intelligent designer, who don't believe Bible Stories. There are people who experience evolution to be a part of Intelligent design and Intelligent design to be a part of evolution.

I'm one of them.

The conflict between Science and Religion is that each wants to separate intelligent design from evolution. The two will reconcile when they realize they are the same dynamic. Some people think the Intelligent Designer is nature itself. That has nothing to do with religious creationism stories.

It's not a belief for me. I experience it everyday and so do you. It's simple. Remember your KISS post?


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4642728 - 09/10/05 05:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

if creation of life took place by means of intelligent design, the process could have been videotaped as jiggy says. And remember, intelligent design has to do with life on earth, not really creation of the universe, but living organisms on earth. If an intelligent being created those, it would have to be a complex and long process which would leave traces.


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4642752 - 09/10/05 05:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Supose you find a funny shaped stone in nature, some say man carved it, others say it's one of those natural stones that look different by coincidence.

Are you saying that you can only verify if it was made by coincidence in nature, and not verify if it was carved by humans?


Speaking of mysterious rock carvings, any explanation for who carved the statues on Easter Island?


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4642757 - 09/10/05 05:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ya, experience it, like gomp said, and see where it takes you.

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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4642758 - 09/10/05 05:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like you misunderstood me wood.

By the video taped remark I made, all i meant to say is that we don't have video tape evidence of what happened to cause the Big Bang.

Lunar probably doesn't have video taped evidence to show how he designed and created his garden and left room for it to evolve over time either.

Does that mean he didn't do it?

My understanding of ID is that it is related to the Universe.

Creationism comes from the Bible and is related to this planet.

Perhaps dromni needs to post his definition of Intelligent design.

My understanding of it is that evolution is a part of it.

Of course, we need to be working with Dromnis definition since it's his proposition.


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4642778 - 09/10/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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The conflict between Science and Religion is that each wants to separate intelligent design from evolution. The two will reconcile when they realize they are the same dynamic. Some people think the Intelligent Designer is nature itself. That has nothing to do with religious creationism stories.

It's not a belief for me. I experience it everyday and so do you. It's simple. Remember your KISS post?




I don't think that the people touting ID view it as nature itself. I think they view ID as some intelligent Godlike force outside of nature that designed and created man.

It's more about religion driving politics and changing biology class into equal time for religion class IMO.


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4642824 - 09/10/05 06:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That was a topic here months ago.

What it is now is dromni asking if anyone can prove intelligent design.

Evolution itself is an intelligent design. He's a part of it as an observer, experiencer and intelligent designer that evolves himself.

What is one to call intelligent designs like a bridge? What other words can be used? If I build a bridge to get me from here to there, using my intelligence and a design why do I suddenly have to beleive in the Bible story of Creationism or be creating a front for it?

What if my bridge designs become more complex as my experience and understanding of them evolves over time? What does the Bible have to do with that?

And why didn't you answer any of my questions?

Do you need me to prove to you where you slept last night? Of course not. And why? Because you experienced it for yourself and you know where you slept. Do you need any other proof for you to beleive where you slept last night other then having experienced it for yourself?


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: Gomp]
    #4642845 - 09/10/05 06:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"what creates was, created, still creating!"
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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4642859 - 09/10/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Why can't evolution be a part of ID?

It could be, no scientist says otherwise. However there is currently no evidence for ID. Not the tiniest little bit. None at all. :shrug:


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: Diploid]
    #4642867 - 09/10/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Would a scientists say that there is nothing intelligent about evolution or the design of the universe?


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4642885 - 09/10/05 06:30 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

A scientist would say that there is no evidence the universe was designed. This doesn't make the universe any less amazing; the opposite, I'd say.

The Pythagorean Theorem is a very clever consequence of number theory, but it was not designed any more than 2 + 2 = 4 was designed.

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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4642893 - 09/10/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Evolution is actually rather stupid and clumsy. Most mutants die before they are born, or don't survive long after. How intelligent of a design is that? Evolution is really about the occasional mutant with a trait that allows it to reproduce a little better than the average population of that species when acted upon by forces of nature.


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4642903 - 09/10/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Perhaps dromni needs to post his definition of Intelligent design.

My understanding of it is that evolution is a part of it.





Yes, Dr Omni please post your definition of ID!


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