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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4654345 - 09/13/05 12:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, cool, didn't diploid write this article here in the shroomery ?

And for spiritual realm does not exist, huh ? We are discussing contradicting possibilities of physical reality. Isn't that proof alone, that spiritual realm exists ? We have imagination, which can be far away from reality or even mixed with it, blended with our own associations, perhaps even directed into the future.
I strongly name that a form of spiritual realm and that is, what swami called fantasy. He is right to a part, but not all is fantasy.
Time to enforce our efforts of scientific exploration more on that subject, me thinks.


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


Edited by BlueCoyote (09/13/05 12:23 PM)


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4655372 - 09/13/05 04:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"We are discussing contradicting possibilities of physical reality. Isn't that proof alone, that spiritual realm exists?"

no, it does not prove anything about a spiritual realm, all it says is that there is something about reality which we do not understand.

radio signals may seem like magic to a person without knowledge of electromagnetic radiation, but we know that these invisible forces are a real part of our physical reality. Any "spiritual realm" that we discover will most likely be another invisible part of our everyday reality and not something far off and distant.

even our imaginations are tied into this physical reality even if it is in some way that we don't understand. i'm sure most of us here are familiar with psychedelic chemicals (a physical object) that dramatically affects our imaginations.

Spirituality and Phyisicality are one and the same. They are only separated in our minds. There is plenty of good reason to believe that they affect each other intimately, and that both realms are the possible subjects of scientific study.


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4660421 - 09/14/05 04:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no, it does not prove anything about a spiritual realm, all it says is that there is something about reality which we do not understand.

But this realm of uncertainity offers a strong portal to that, what we commonly call spirituality. I hope, there will be found some scientific methods, to look behind that curtain.
But will we ever be able to answer every questions within our physical incarnations, with physical means ? I think there is some abstract world, called meaning or spiritual or something, that does not directly exist physically, but somehow isn't less real or less 'meaningfull' for existence.
We only can percieve it with our minds yet...but in extreme, our physical body can be influenced (harmed/healed) by this... :laugh:


edit:aeh, how to test ? uh uh...much more thinking has to be done :smile:


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: How would one go about testing the Intelligent Design Theory? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #10351550 - 05/17/09 04:49 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There is no way you can test for a supernatural entity.  ID is not science and it is not a theory in any sense.  It is a hypothesis, and not even a scientific one.  Scientific hypotheses need to be falsifiable.  Answering the problem of biotic complexity with "God did it," doesn't answer anything.  You're only postulating something infinitely more complex than the original issue and, in doing so, create a much bigger problem than we originally had. 

ID is just creationism in yet another cheap suit.


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