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Something vs nothing
    #4145125 - 05/07/05 06:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Many philosophers have brought this question up. Now I bring it to the S&P (im probably not the first).

So.....why is there something instead of nothing?

If Occam's Razor is applied to this, wouldnt the simplest solution be non-existence and nothingness compared to the complexity of existence and somethingness? Since on this universal level with respect to all of time, these two things would be equal...


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Re: Something vs Nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4145137 - 05/07/05 06:27 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Now I bring it to the S&P




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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4145150 - 05/07/05 06:37 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I would have said, instead, So.....why is there something and nothing? :grin:

And, of course, I would have answered that something naturally arises from within nothing, simply because of the potential that nothing is...

But then I would realize that this nothing that is referred to wouldn't actually be the true nothing, which is completely impossible to refer to or conceptualize... Its always hilarious when someone says "nothing is something, because it is a lack of something, and that lack is something", and I always slap them in the fucking face and say, "Nah, bitch, nothing exists beyond any definition of conception or little semantic twist that didn't actually perform anything meaningful. :tongue: It is simply not possible for any 'something' to know 'nothing', as that knowing of 'nothing' is not actually 'nothing', etc. etc. etc. etc.".

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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4145154 - 05/07/05 06:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Since on this universal level with respect to all of time, these two things would be equal...

False assumption.

I will always choose something over nothing.


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4145181 - 05/07/05 07:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

if you get asked, you can say nothing.. :P

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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4145206 - 05/07/05 08:12 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Stealthily I sit along
the broken bones of a new song,
and suddenly I realize,
that something isn't there.

I toss and turn all night and on,
til something comes to write the wrong
and suddenly I can't despise,
something that's not there.

Awoken by the morning sun,
from sleep not slept by anyone..
to find the time to find the rhyme,
that defines what's not there.

And in that moment, I did run.
I chased my thoughts around the sun,
to find in time, it's just the shine.
You can't find what's not there.

We find our time... it waves goodbye.
You can't find what's not there.


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: Swami]
    #4145275 - 05/07/05 09:34 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I will always choose something over nothing.



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And what nothing will you choose to be something....?    :heart:


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4145279 - 05/07/05 09:37 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Very cool JC, very cool....!  :heart:  :thumbup:


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4145450 - 05/07/05 11:13 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

"So.....why is there something instead of nothing?"

Because if something can occur it will occur. Sorta like a variation on Murphy's Law.  :smirk:


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: moog]
    #4145600 - 05/07/05 12:22 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

if you had to define it using language...which does now at times feel really clumsy to me, but i'll have to make do...could you not say:
when there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that includes time
So, even if the chance of something then coming into existence was infinitely small, because there is no time, it could effectively be said that something would come into existence immediately there was nothing. Although, in truth, by our words, it would be both immediately and never.
Oh, and there's probably a far better way of putting it, i just haven't thought of it yet


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4148531 - 05/08/05 12:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing doesn't exist.

Everything which exists is a something.

Something does not come from nothing.

The fact that there is something rather than nothing means that there always has been something, for something does not arise uncaused from nothing.

The simple answer to the question is that being is necessary.


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4148613 - 05/08/05 12:33 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nothing indeed doesn't exist. Yet paradoxically, it can be denoted as being there but not defined as having any qualities.

Those who cannot grasp this are confusing the map for the territory. The linguistics, words, signposts, and symbols are not the same as the reality.. the territory.

There is no crest without a trough, no death without a birth, no on without an off.. and so on ad infinitum.. including existence and non-existence.

In short, nothing is really just another word for non-existence.



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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #4155651 - 05/10/05 01:54 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, so I finally got to pluck my fruits of knowledge from its pearly domecile. Tonight, while under their spell, I got into a thought warp/loop over giving nothing. Actually handing someone "nothing". If you opened up your hand, and I placed a handful of nothing in your hand, what could be the implications of this (besides being obvious flatulence of the mind....which this thread and many more are)?


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4155700 - 05/10/05 02:04 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

When you show someone something, you may be giving them a "peek" or a "glimpse"....

If you smile at someone, you may be giving a sign of love or understanding....

You can give someone love, and yet they may not have anything in their hands, but it may just fill the heart with feeling and warmth....


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4156088 - 05/10/05 04:10 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

oh god. i had never heard this question until my friends and i made it the focus of an acid conversation loop for 6 hours. horrific. terrifying! haha great thread


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: ajna]
    #4156413 - 05/10/05 08:51 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I just wondered if it ever occured to you people that "nothing" and "something" are merely words of no meaning whatsoever??

No no no no!! Don't tell me that something has a meaning, because it has to be SOME THING - well, you don't know WHAT that something iss, and it certainly isn't everything, because you didn't say that at all.

Now we're at it: Everything is also just a word with no meaning whatsoever - can you point at everything? Can you point at nothing?

Can you sniff nothing, plug it, shoot it up? Can you eat a bunch of everything with a little somethings on top?

Is there any ways of cramming the entire everything into one thought anyway?

Is there any ways of stretching out the tiny nothing out to be a thought anyway?

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU PARADING AROUND DULLING YOUR BRAINS WITH WORDPLAY? YOU SHOULD BE OUT THERE SAVING THE WORLD AND SUCH! FEED THE POOR, AND HELPING THE MURDERERS, SO THAT WE ALL CAN BASK AND DANCE IN THE SUN/MOON -LIGHT FOREVER!!

I'm going to sit my ass down and smoke another bowl of prime hashish and eat another slice of pizza, and whilst zipping my coke I will snap out of living my dream and check up on you: And if you're still here - I'll feckin' send Lucifer on your asses!!

Don't make me come back to life to save your asses, please, I beg of you.


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: slaphappy]
    #4156685 - 05/10/05 10:51 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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So.....why is there something instead of nothing?




Because of duality. To define nothing, something must exist and to define something, nothing must exist.

Quote:

If Occam's Razor is applied to this, wouldnt the simplest solution be non-existence and nothingness compared to the complexity of existence and somethingness?




What is left with both something and nothing do not exist?

Quote:

Since on this universal level with respect to all of time, these two things would be equal...




Indeed, and they are! If you were able to answer my previous question, then you probably understand this as well.

Quote:

Nothing doesn't exist.




Of course it does, duality requires the existance of nothing.

Quote:

Everything which exists is a something.




Everything that exists within duality is a something.

Quote:

Something does not come from nothing.




One cannot exist without the other.

Quote:

The fact that there is something rather than nothing means that there always has been something, for something does not arise uncaused from nothing.




If there has always been something, then there has also always been nothing. Again, we are trapped within the bounds of duality, but there is more to existance than what duality provides.

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The simple answer to the question is that being is necessary.




Even simpler... being is.


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4156801 - 05/10/05 11:25 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

whether or not its a thing...


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Re: Something vs nothing [Re: Gomp]
    #4156925 - 05/10/05 12:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

still getting hung up on vocabulary semantics. Yes, I get that to describe nothing, you need to have the absence of something, but the nothing I referred to in the leader post was one of... "never-was-ness" to put it one way....


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