KauaiOrca said:

Webster10 said:

I really don't see her holding up in the general. The attack from the right will be too fierce. Although if trump, fiorina, cruz or rubio get the R nomination, I don't expect them to be pounded any less. I just think they will hold up better, Hillary is surrounded by way to much shady shit.

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I see it the same way.  The fact that her top IT guy pleaded the 5th tells me she's in a lot more trouble than is being reported right now.  Her real problem is obstruction or some type of evidence tampering.  Maybe careless handling of classified documents ... worst case some kind of conspiracy with her whole team.

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Tipote said:

KauaiOrca said:

Tipote said:

absolutely but she is still wall streets bitch and has proven experience being shit in government, but at least in government, so its more likely she than the republican will get it. plus she is a woman so women will probably vote for her in large numbers.

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I think her disadvantages out weigh her advantages in the General.  There are many factors indicating an advantage for the GOP this cycle ... more motivated, hard to win 3 cycles in a row, gains in congress and state elections, Obama and Hillary falling numbers and Hillary's age, health and baggage.  I'm just looking at it objectively as I don't really pull very hard for either party.  The candidates I tend to like NEVER get elected so whoever wins will be a disappointment to me.  My prediction is the FBI knocks her out, Biden/Warren get the nomination and it's a nail biter to the tend.

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Warren? Biden? Are they even in it? Or could they get it without doing the primaries? I dont really understand american politics very well.

I agree hilary is crap. As falcon said, her only saving grace is that her husband might be a good sounding board as he seems smart but i wonder how much they even talk..

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KauaiOrca said:

Clintons are too old at this point.  Bill doesn't look or sound all that crisp anymore.

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In a crisis, the party can draft a candidate at the convention in our system.  Biden could get the call as a "save the party" kinda deal and an obvious VP that would help him a lot would be Elizabeth Warren.  There is some evidence that Obama's behind the email problems she has as they've never gotten along and Michelle and Garret absolutely loath Hillary.  HIllary may know this is coming and is holding out for some kind of pardon from Obama to bow out without kicking and screaming.

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Tipote said:

i did not know that. wow crazy, should be interesting. yet disappointing regardless.

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KauaiOrca said:

I'd much prefer Biden/Warren over HIllary, that's for sure.

Bernie would have no shot in a General even though he's absolutely 100% right about a lot of issues.  The media would destroy him.  He's not globalism approved.

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Tipote said:

KauaiOrca said:

I'd much prefer Biden/Warren over HIllary, that's for sure.

Bernie would have no shot in a General even though he's absolutely 100% right about a lot of issues.  The media would destroy him.  He's not globalism approved.

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i got the impression Biden was very anti drugs. He won't be for legalising our herbs! He did stuff that led to lots of people being put in jail over non-violent drug crime.

i agree about bernie, shame though. Well it will be nice to see how far he goes, hes done very well considering everything. If he doesnt get it, i hope it will just give fuel to another movement or continued movement on these issues..

i dont know anything about warren

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KauaiOrca said:

Marijuana's headed off Schedule 1 and Obama may surprise everyone and do it before he leaves office to take the pressure off everyone.  Keep in mind it was Bill Clinton that signed the 3 strikes you're out bill that filled the prisons we now see.

Warren's very liberal, wants banks broken up and Glass Steagall put back in.  Very popular with liberals ... has the left wing totally behind her.  Republicans hate her with a vengeance.

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In the 1980s and 1990s, then-Sen. Biden and other lawmakers enacted a wave of tough-on-crime measures, driven by record spikes in violent crime and a crack epidemic that was ravaging major cities and poor and minority communities across the nation. Those laws, backed by both Democrats and Republicans, would lead to millions of people behind bars or dead, give rise to increasingly militarized police forces, and funnel billions of dollars into a global war on drugs. from here

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Tipote said:

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In the 1980s and 1990s, then-Sen. Biden and other lawmakers enacted a wave of tough-on-crime measures, driven by record spikes in violent crime and a crack epidemic that was ravaging major cities and poor and minority communities across the nation. Those laws, backed by both Democrats and Republicans, would lead to millions of people behind bars or dead, give rise to increasingly militarized police forces, and funnel billions of dollars into a global war on drugs. from here

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should be an interesting development if they do that plan b

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Everyone in the 80's and 90's were talking tough on crime and drugs.  Clintons were as well.  No democrats feel that way anymore as the BLM movement is causing too much noise on it.

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Tipote said:

yeh, warren looks interesting at a glance. I hope other people will weigh in with their opinions.

I'm just waiting for hostiles comment.. probably something that just resembles shouting "LIBERAL AGENDA" 50 times and jumping up and down and then pooing himself and blaming obama..
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Haha ... seriously ... queue up the "arm the handicapped" screams from the hard core 2nd amendment crowd.

Webster10 said:

KauaiOrca said:

Tipote said:

armaggedon is almost 100% certain if trump won. who do you think on the republican side is likely to get it if not trump??

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Campaigns generate  a lot of fire.  After you're sworn in,  you get a visit from the grown ups in the room that give you the full briefing on how global government works.  Then they fall in line.  Same will happen with Trump.  Elected politicians have power and unelected global government has more.

Trump / Rubio / Cruz / Fiorina are the only 4 I think that have a shot at this point.

I think Hillary is at least, if not more, dangerous as Trump.  Her poor judgment in the past, deteriorating mental condition and vulnerability to blackmail is a bigger risk, IMHO.

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Let's face it. Bernie isn't getting the dem nomination. Because of the corrupt dem system, hillary already has almost enough support from super delegates alone to win. And honestly, hillary absolutely will not win a general election. She has lied too much and has been much too ineffective in leadership positions.

I really wouldn't mind Bernie all that much. Sure taxes would skyrocket, but I'd get free healthcare, legal pot, a campaign financing overhaul and other semi-helpful government assistance. Hillary's gonna crush him though, and she is by far the most corrupt and incompetent candidate.

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KauaiOrca said:

Tipote said:

on Biden:

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In the 1980s and 1990s, then-Sen. Biden and other lawmakers enacted a wave of tough-on-crime measures, driven by record spikes in violent crime and a crack epidemic that was ravaging major cities and poor and minority communities across the nation. Those laws, backed by both Democrats and Republicans, would lead to millions of people behind bars or dead, give rise to increasingly militarized police forces, and funnel billions of dollars into a global war on drugs. from here

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should be an interesting development if they do that plan b

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Everyone in the 80's and 90's were talking tough on crime and drugs.  Clintons were as well.  No democrats feel that way anymore as the BLM movement is causing too much noise on it.

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qman said:

Does it really matter what the current Democratic rhetoric is on crime and drugs today?  We are still going to be arresting and incarcerating people for drug crimes. That hasn't change for the past 7 years under Obama.

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KauaiOrca said:

qman said:

Does it really matter what the current Democratic rhetoric is on crime and drugs today?  We are still going to be arresting and incarcerating people for drug crimes. That hasn't change for the past 7 years under Obama.

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Most drug crime is state and local, isn't it? 

DEA tends to be more involved in pretty big operations, right?  Or coordinating with the really top guys to keep them on top and get their cut?

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qman said:

Does it really matter what the current Democratic rhetoric is on crime and drugs today?  We are still going to be arresting and incarcerating people for drug crimes. That hasn't change for the past 7 years under Obama.

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qman said:

KauaiOrca said:

Tipote said:

on Biden:

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In the 1980s and 1990s, then-Sen. Biden and other lawmakers enacted a wave of tough-on-crime measures, driven by record spikes in violent crime and a crack epidemic that was ravaging major cities and poor and minority communities across the nation. Those laws, backed by both Democrats and Republicans, would lead to millions of people behind bars or dead, give rise to increasingly militarized police forces, and funnel billions of dollars into a global war on drugs. from here

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should be an interesting development if they do that plan b

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Everyone in the 80's and 90's were talking tough on crime and drugs.  Clintons were as well.  No democrats feel that way anymore as the BLM movement is causing too much noise on it.

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Does it really matter what the current Democratic rhetoric is on crime and drugs today?  We are still going to be arresting and incarcerating people for drug crimes. That hasn't change for the past 7 years under Obama.

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qman said:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/black-privilege-judge-allows-u-of-c-student-back-on-campus-after-he-threatened-to-murder-16-whites/

Threaten to kill whites, no problem, go back to the campus.

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qman said:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/black-privilege-judge-allows-u-of-c-student-back-on-campus-after-he-threatened-to-murder-16-whites/

Threaten to kill whites, no problem, go back to the campus.

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hostileuniverse said:

qman said:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/12/black-privilege-judge-allows-u-of-c-student-back-on-campus-after-he-threatened-to-murder-16-whites/

Threaten to kill whites, no problem, go back to the campus.

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Protected class status, if you're a minority democrat, you get a free pass

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Oh, he's a democrat? Where'd you find that in the article, because I must have missed it. I didn't see the part where they double checked his political affiliation before making a decision.

Hmm... sounds like...