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OfflineSkikid16
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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: flow]
    #1321720 - 02/20/03 10:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What about this, we take the money being spent on a military buildup, and transfer that into inspections and humanitarian aid. That way, the Iraqi population gets fed, inspectors have more power because of the increase in numbers, and if anything is found, the weapons are confiscated. If we help the masses, detaining Saddam will be much easier because we will have the support, not resistance of the population.


I really don't know, but I think increasing humanitarian aid and increased inspectors sounds like a pretty viable option, what does everyone else think?


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1321738 - 02/20/03 10:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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How about the fact that this is the first time in American history where we will launch a PRE-EMPTIVE attack. This is unprecedented. We are the current super-power, and this is how we display our power to other countries? Through fear? This country was never based on such ridiculous claims.




this isn't a pre-emptive attack. This is more of an international policing action. We are the current superpower, and we display our power to other countries by SUPPORTING UN RESOLUTIONS. And we get shit because other countries are afraid, but they voted on disarming iraq. We back our talk up, other countries just talk. Which country was it that didn't support disarming Saddam????
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ASK WHY! This is such an important action.....I can't even begin to state how fundamentally important it is to QUESTION officials. Or, you could just go ahead and believe whatever they tell you. How many times have "officials" lied to us in the past? Too many to count....




I agree. My point was that Saddam is a threat. Who would know this better than a man who has complete control of the CIA, military intelligence, spy satellites, etc... Yes, our government has lied to us before, but is it that unreasonable to beleive them when they say a ruthless dictator is a threat?


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1321747 - 02/20/03 10:39 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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What I don't get is how Bush claims to know so much about what's going on in Iraq, and knows that they have WMD without a shadow of a doubt, then why doesn't he know where any of them are?



do iraq know where ours are? do you? we most certainly have them though. but the question is irrelevant because i bet bush does know where they are.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Skikid16]
    #1321762 - 02/20/03 10:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

if it were possible, thats what we would do.
i don't think saddam would allow it for one. he views the current inspections as a joke, and wouldn't allow them to happen in the first place if he thought they were actually going to find his shit. He's not that stupid.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: flow]
    #1321774 - 02/20/03 10:43 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You acknowledge that your government has lied to you many times in the past..yet you still stand by it in the face of overwhelming opposition to what it's doing???


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1321804 - 02/20/03 10:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

That you discount some of the largest protests in history is laughable.

Not every single person opposed to war, could attend the protests. Not even 1 in a 1000. Protesters are the most convicted and vocal of their opinions. A lot of people dont care about war one way or another, and I'd wager anyone who had some sort of half caring opinion would hope war could be avoided, and not rushed into headlong as Bush proposes.

When 10 million people gather in a united stance WORLDWIDE in one of the BIGGEST protests EVER...

THAT SAYS SOMETHING.

And if you cant hear it, you're purposely not listening.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: flow]
    #1321877 - 02/20/03 11:19 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well why don' t we at least try?


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Rono]
    #1321880 - 02/20/03 11:20 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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You acknowledge that your government has lied to you many times in the past..yet you still stand by it in the face of overwhelming opposition to what it's doing???



what overwhelming opposition?? It started out that way but as we have made our case, there are very few countries who oppose regime change in iraq. The only difference is we are not dragging our feet.
And are we supposed to think that France, and Russia don't have alterior motives for preventing a war in iraq?? They are not countries run by saints.


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    #1321890 - 02/20/03 11:23 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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When 10 million people gather in a united stance WORLDWIDE in one of the BIGGEST protests EVER...




yep, it says a lot of people don't like or trust the US gov't. Also, it shows that people don't like war, neither of these things come as a surprise. Also, neither has anything to do with this war. more reason is needed for the protests than "no war for oil"


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: flow]
    #1321899 - 02/20/03 11:26 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Both of them have everything to do with this war... War is not the will of a great many people, governments should listen to that and consider it. But they wont.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: flow]
    #1321916 - 02/20/03 11:31 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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what overwhelming opposition??


ummm...perhaps you heard something about the largest global protest in history?...


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Rono]
    #1322023 - 02/20/03 12:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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largest global protest in history


As I'm sure others will be quick to point out (although I don't agree with them) the 10 million approx. protesters can hardly be described as "overwhelming." They are only a very small percentage of the population.... they're only hippies who would protest anything... blah blah blah

[please note the sarcasm above]


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: flow]
    #1322165 - 02/20/03 01:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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this isn't a pre-emptive attack. This is more of an international policing action. 



"International Policing Action".........now that's a euphemism if I ever heard one.  I think I may have heard a few  :tongue:

pre-emptive

preemptive adj : designed or having the power to deter or prevent an anticipated situation or occurrence; "a preemptive business offer
 


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Anonymous]
    #1322221 - 02/20/03 01:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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War is his last choice, and he's just speeding up the inevitible.




(don't take anything here as an attack ...I'm just interested in opinions)

What is the reason why war with Iraq is inevitable? I know there are a lot of theorys out there why we are going to war with Iraq. I just hope you don't believe it's cause they are a serious threat to us right now.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: ]
    #1322257 - 02/20/03 01:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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That you discount some of the largest protests in history is laughable.



I'm not discounting anything, except your comprehension.

There were a lot of people, of that there is no doubt. However you want to look at the numbers, it was a small percentage. If a president always acted upon the polls he'd be named Bill Clinton. And to be accurate, the majority of Americans support Bush in this matter. You may not like that, but it's how it is.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Rono]
    #1322266 - 02/20/03 01:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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what overwhelming opposition??


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ummm...perhaps you heard something about the largest global protest in history?...




Sorry Rono, the numbers don't support the term "overwhelming".



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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: ClosetCase]
    #1322282 - 02/20/03 02:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The reason I say war is inevitible is because Iraq has broken its pledge to destroy all its chemical and biological weapons, violating not only the US's will, but the UN's. It's only a matter of time before he devolopes nukes or uses WMD over Israel, our ally, and spurring possibly a world war.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1322295 - 02/20/03 02:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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to be accurate, the majority of Americans support Bush in this matter


I think it might be your turn to provide a reference now.


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    #1322322 - 02/20/03 02:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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to be accurate, the majority of Americans support Bush in this matter


I think it might be your turn to provide a reference now.




(CBS) As Americans weigh the evidence presented Wednesday to the United Nations by Secretary of State Colin Powell, a new CBS News poll shows an increasing percentage believe the case has been made for military action, but most still prefer that the U.S. get U.N. approval before taking such action and would like to give the weapons inspectors more time to work.

Americans remain generally supportive of military action against Iraq ? a feeling that hasn?t changed much since last fall. In this poll, 70% approve of the U.S. taking military action against Iraq.

APPROVE OF MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAQ?

NOW
Yes 70%

No 21%


JANUARY '03
Yes 64%

No 30%


NOVEMBER '02
Yes 70%

No 23%

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/07/opinion/polls/main539763.shtml


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1322420 - 02/20/03 03:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I just wonder what public opinion of Hitler was in Germany in the 30's? Just curious?


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