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OfflineAngry Mycologist
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Bush asks - "What protests?"
    #1316991 - 02/18/03 03:07 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

WASHINGTON - Declaring that America's security should not be dictated by protesters, President Bush said Tuesday he would not be swayed from disarming Iraq. U.S. and British diplomats weighed another bid for U.N. backing.

"War is my last choice," Bush said at the White House as echoes of anti-war protests circled the globe. "But the risk of doing nothing is even a worse option as far as I am concerned."

Standing firmly against skeptical allies as well as the demonstrators, Bush said: I owe it to the American people to secure this country. I will do so."

He said of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, "We will deal with him."

Administration officials in Washington and at the United Nations in New York were discussing the possible gains as well as the risk of a diplomatic defeat if the United States proposed a new resolution to the Security Council to endorse force as an option to disarm Iraq.

One U.S. official said Tuesday there was no decision on a text or even on whether to go ahead, though White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said, "I think it will be a simple and rather straightforward resolution."

Bush said a second resolution "would be useful," although "we don't need a second resolution. It's clear this guy could even care less about the first resolution. He's in total defiance."

France, with support from Russia and China, does not accept the U.S. view that the Security Council effectively endorsed force as an option to disarm Iraq in an earlier resolution that warned of "serious consequences" if Saddam persisted in defying U.N. demands.

With some 50 countries lined up to speak to the council in a session that could go over until Wednesday, early action by the United States and its close ally, Britain, was not expected.

Diplomats at the U.N. said a draft resolution could be circulated late Wednesday.

As for the protests around the world by millions of people opposed to war with Iraq, Bush said they were irrelevant to his duty to protect America.

"Size of protest, it's like deciding, 'Well I'm going to decide policy based up on a focus group.' The role of a leader is to decide policy based upon the security - in this case - security of the people," he said.

"Democracy is a beautiful thing, and that people are allowed to express their opinion," he said.

"Some in the world don't view Saddam Hussein as a risk to peace," he added. "I respectfully disagree."

Last Friday, an overwhelming majority of the 15 council members followed France's lead and called for extending U.N. weapons searches in Iraq. Secretary of State Colin Powell's argument that the searches were virtually useless was overridden.

On Tuesday, however, the Bush administration drew some support in Europe.

Thirteen incoming members of the European Union endorsed a joint declaration in Brussels, Belgium, that warned Saddam he had one last chance to disarm.

French President Jacques Chirac scoffed that the 13 had "missed a good opportunity to keep quiet,"

In a parallel action backing the United States, 10 former communist countries, seven of them EU candidates, reiterated their support for Washington's position on Saddam.

At the White House, Bush gave no ground.

"Hopefully, Saddam Hussein will disarm," he said. "If he chooses not to disarm, as I have been saying for a long time, we will lead a coalition of the willing to disarm him."

But one valued ally, Turkey, hesitated to permit thousands of U.S. soldiers on its soil.

"We are not going to the parliament tomorrow," Prime Minister Abdullah Gul said Monday, backing away from a pledge for a vote Tuesday. "We have some concerns on economic and political issues."

Turkey has been negotiating with the Bush administration for a large assistance package. Bush said Turkey had "no better friend than the American government" and he was confident details could be worked out.

Next weekend, Bush will meet at his ranch in Texas with a European supporter, Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar of Spain. Another, Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain is under enormous pressure to back away from conflict with Iraq.

Bush said, "Tony Blair understands that Saddam Hussein is a risk. Tony Blair sees that a weakened United Nations is not good for world peace. And he is a courageous leader. And I'm proud to call him friend."

Praising Aznar as courageous, as well, Bush said, "These are men of vision. They see the task at hand. And I'm proud to call them allies. And we'll work together for the sake of peace."

Copyright 2002 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.


My comments: Apparently Bush aknowledges in this article that this country is no longer for the people.  It's either his way or no way.  I thought that 10 million people around the world may have made a dent in Bush's Iraq policy.  I was wrong.  This article, as do many others, continue to make me feel utterly hopeless in trying to be involved in anything the least bit "political".  We need more action.  If anyone else feels like getting involved, I've listed some excellent links below (some are drug war links  :wink: ).

ACLU - http://www.aclu.org/
United for Peace - http://www.unitedforpeace.org
International Answer - http://www.internationalanswer.org
Drug Reform Coordination - http://www.drcnet.org
NORML - http://www.norml.org

 


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1316999 - 02/18/03 03:09 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

People protest racial integration, should we listen to all protestors or just the ones with whom you agree?


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Anonymous]
    #1317007 - 02/18/03 03:11 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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People protest racial integration, should we listen to all protestors or just the ones with whom you agree?



To this extent? A world-wide demonstration? I would hope that a half a million people in New York would be at least enough to make Bush look over his plans once more....


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317032 - 02/18/03 03:20 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

A protest is a protest, nothing more. It is not an election, a recall, or even a poll. It's more of a social gathering than anything else.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Anonymous]
    #1317034 - 02/18/03 03:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yes... the last time there were 10 million racists protesting in the streets was.... hmm....


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Anonymous]
    #1317052 - 02/18/03 03:30 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I am talking about sheer size here StonedFish. Isn't the government supposed to go as "far" as to take the citizens' concerns into consideration? If protests are rendered useless, then how do the people speak out in a country that is becoming more and more oppressed everyday?

What happened to for the people, by the people?

About this whole racial integration thing: If this became a big issue, I can assure you that there would be tens of millions of more people protesting the protesters. If we want to be a democracy, we need to take more steps to actually achieve that goal.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317103 - 02/18/03 03:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Isn't the government supposed to go as "far" as to take the citizens' concerns into consideration?


I agree, I think the really disappointing thing is not so much that the governments around the world aren't listening to protesters. The disappointing thing is that they are completely dismissing the concerns of the protesters. I personally would feel a whole lot better if someone like Bush came out and said to the people protesting "Hey, I can see your concerned, I hear what your saying but this is why we have to do it." Giving a reason would be nice, so would acknowledgement. People who attend protests are just going to a "social gathering" and they don't expect for the world to change just for them, but they would at least like to feel as if someone higher up was listening and thinking "Gee, a lot of people out there think that we shouldn't do this, I wonder why."


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317111 - 02/18/03 03:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I see what you're saying, but if people want to be heard, they should vote people like Bush out of office. The fact that the majority of the United States supports Bush is enough to make me question just who the protestors stand for.

I agree that protests are good for democracy. If nothing else, they serve to show that not everyone thinks the same way, and that many countries allow such freedom even when it directly challenges the government.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317115 - 02/18/03 03:59 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

He really is a first class jackass.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317159 - 02/18/03 04:17 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

"War is my last choice," Bush said at the White House as echoes of anti-war protests circled the globe. "But the risk of doing nothing is even a worse option as far as I am concerned."





If Bush would rather go to war than do nothing, then war isnt his last choice.
I don't get his logic.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: pattern]
    #1317170 - 02/18/03 04:22 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

If Bush would rather go to war than do nothing, then war isnt his last choice.
I don't get his logic.



What logic?


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317173 - 02/18/03 04:23 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)


"Democracy is a beautiful thing, and that people are allowed to express their opinion," he said.



Yeah, but is it democracy when the opinions are completely ignored and shrugged off because Bush had his mind made up already?


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: silversoul7]
    #1317177 - 02/18/03 04:26 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

> What logic?

hehe


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: pattern]
    #1317179 - 02/18/03 04:27 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

That's just it. He's incapable of logic. Over the next two years, things are just going to get stupider and stupider. I don't believe the press when they say Bush has such a high approval rating. Or maybe I just don't want to believe that so many of my fellow Americans could actually approve of the job he is doing.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317214 - 02/18/03 04:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I read the article twice, then did a search of the page. The only place I could find the words "what protest" is in the subject of the thread.

Did he say it somewhere else and you posted the wrong article? Or did you fabricate that phrase?


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1317371 - 02/18/03 05:49 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, but, in the first line of the article it pretty much sums that up... well, sort of.

Its pretty crazy about the world-wide protests against war, and he really doesnt even care. :frown:



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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: angryshroom]
    #1317564 - 02/18/03 07:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Why would he care? Bush isn't interested in democracy, he and his government a simply a front for large corporations. Whatever his masters tell him is what he'll do.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1317759 - 02/18/03 09:18 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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The only place I could find the words "what protest" is in the subject of the thread.
 



Sorry for any misunderstandings, but I thought it was pretty clear that I was being sarcastic in the subject thread  :crazy:  Well, anyway, no, he did not say those exact words, but that is exactly what I felt he summed up after reading the article. 


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317916 - 02/18/03 11:44 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, he didn't even imply "what protests". The thrust of the article was "who cares about" the protests.

And really, with less than 1 percent of the worlds people protesting... why should he?

Let's look at the NYC protest for example. Even if we go with the reported figure of 500K, which I doubt since orginizers are well known for graphically exagerating the attendence figures, and even if we assume that all the protesters were from NYC, which going by the proximity of both NJ and CT is VERY unlikely, that would be what, about 6 or 7%? Now while that is a sizeable percentage, that leaves 93% which either doesn't care enough or thinks a war is the right thing. The latter is backed up in part by the polls. Far more agree with Bushes stance than disagree.

Now, I hope we don't go to war. I believe that Saddam has the weapons, and I believe he will use them. I hope Saddam backs down. Having said that, I do believe that sometimes it's the last option. Are we there quite yet? I don't think so, but I recognize the fact that there's a bunch of info we as a people, don't know. And also, if a President was to go by the polls, he'd get nothing done.

Now, back to my original post in this thread. Using something that wasn't even said detracts from the point you were trying to make. I notice a few people on this board do that. Everyone thinks so, anyone who doesn't think so, every court decision, and phrases like that leave a bad taste in my mouth and make it hard to take seriously whatever point is trying to be made.


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Re: Bush asks - "What protests?" [Re: Angry Mycologist]
    #1317927 - 02/18/03 11:58 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

"War is my last choice," Bush said at the White House as echoes of anti-war protests circled the globe. "But the risk of doing nothing is even a worse option as far as I am concerned."





So actually doing nothing (no war) is your last option! ...which makes war what option again??? (second I guess, after the option of saddam handing everything over and ending his own life)


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