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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19849295 - 04/15/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Source?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19849300 - 04/15/14 03:24 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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So why the media blackout, cellphone tower shut down, and halting of flights, if the court order wasn't a cover up for something else?



do you have proof any of this happened? This is the first i've heard of it. Also if there was a 'media blackout' they did a piss poor job of it.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19849338 - 04/15/14 03:30 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #19849343 - 04/15/14 03:31 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Do you have any sources that aren't conspiracy whackjob sites?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19849351 - 04/15/14 03:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Are you implying the mainstream media is more honest and accurate in their reporting than alternative media?

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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19849384 - 04/15/14 03:39 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I'm implying that the sources you linked are unreliable and have a history of publishing patently false information.

Do you have any better sources?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #19849417 - 04/15/14 03:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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you are failing to recognize the land did not belong to the feds....




And yet... it does.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19849480 - 04/15/14 03:58 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

When they don't like the news they sneer at the source. He gave a source, lets see your evidence its false? Ball is in your court.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19849488 - 04/15/14 03:59 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19849490 - 04/15/14 03:59 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I found a better source: FAA.gov

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1687.html

At least for the flight restrictions.  It doesn't sound like a coverup to me though.  I can see why they'd want news helis out of the airspace if there are a bunch of gun-toting whackjobs out there.  They can always fly over 3000ft AGL if it's that important to them. 

I don't know if the cell tower was really shut down, but if it was, that'd make sense, too.  The last thing they need are more gun-toting whackjobs.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19849508 - 04/15/14 04:02 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Gun toting whackjobs? Where the men who fought for the right to form a masonic government, with the belief in human liberty, and freedom from christian tyranny, also gun toting whackjobs? As my family fought in the revolutionary war I guess you could say I have a certain bias against that idea.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #19849590 - 04/15/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I wasn't talking about you...so why are you taking it so personally.  I didn't say everyone with a gun is a whackjob, nor does every whackjob tote a gun.

If, however, you are the type that would go out in the desert and take up arms against the government for enforcing a court order against a man who has been ignoring the law for two decades, then yes...you'd be a whackjob, too.  If you had a gun, you'd be a gun-toting whackjob.

I've no evidence, of course, that you're a whackjob, gun-toting or otherwise.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19849602 - 04/15/14 04:22 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

So you completely discount the possibility the court order is part of a cover up for a land grab? Our government doesn't do dastardly shit like that right?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #19849637 - 04/15/14 04:30 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Land grab?  The court determined the land was property of the federal government in 1998.  If it's a land grab, they sure did take their sweet time about it.

It's very simple.  He was legally grazing on the land, and paying the required fee.  He then stopped paying the required fee and continued grazing on the land.  Then, grazing on the land was no longer allowed, even with a fee.  He kept grazing.  The court told him to stop grazing in 1998.  He kept grazing.  In 2012, he was still grazing on the land and started grazing on land even deeper into federal land.  The feds sued him and got a court order telling him to stop. He kept grazing.  He filed an appeal, and the feds did nothing while that appeal was pending.  He kept grazing.  He abandoned his appeal, but kept grazing. 

Eventually, the feds did exactly what the court told them they could do:  Seize the cattle on federal land.

None of this should have come as a surprise to the man.  When you owe the federal government around a million bucks and ignore court orders for decades, bad shit is going to happen.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19849741 - 04/15/14 04:47 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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When they don't like the news they sneer at the source. He gave a source, lets see your evidence its false? Ball is in your court.




Did you mean to address me?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19849964 - 04/15/14 05:24 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Enlil thinks courts can do no wrong and that the govt can do no wrong. Both notions are false. The govt does more things wrong nowdays than right. I'm more against sending drones around so kids can blast people on sight than i am about this but its all part of the system.

If the govt doesn't want grazing then let them put up fences.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19850142 - 04/15/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Of course courts can get it wrong.  That's irrelevant.  Right or wrong, the courts are empowered to decide such disputes by our constitution.  If you don't agree with the decision, tough shit.  If you don't like the constitution, tough shit.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19850449 - 04/15/14 06:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I love the constitution, it says that if the government doesn't suit our needs we have the right to step in, guess what, americans stepped in, we upheld the constitution, if you don't like it, tough shit, you are unamerican.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19850476 - 04/15/14 06:38 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Please cite the part of the constitution that says that.  Thank you in advance.

It must be in the "right to mob rule" clause.  We skipped that in law school.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19850531 - 04/15/14 06:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

So you are literally discussing something you have never read, wow! It is infact in the declaration of independance.


"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."


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