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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #19850565 - 04/15/14 06:58 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

You said it was in the constitution.  The declaration of independence has no legal effect whatsoever.  You haven't the first fucking clue what you're talking about.

You tell me I'm unamerican when you don't know the difference between the constitution and the declaration of independence...not to mention wanting to renounce your citizenship.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19850579 - 04/15/14 07:01 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

The supreme court has frequently made decisions based off of the DoI, here are two of many.


http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/conlaw/2011/07/declaration-of-independence-in-the-supreme-court-term-2010.html


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #19850613 - 04/15/14 07:08 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

False.  The document has no legal effect.  Those decisions used the declaration only for historical reference.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19850822 - 04/15/14 08:01 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Good one, SS. When obuma starts obeying the constitution then i'll start worrying more what scotus says. Where in the constitution does it give him the power to order someone killed not in combat or time of war? He claims he can kill americans here in usa too though he is not on record doing so, but may have on the qt. Where does it give him authority to send drones into countrys we are not attacked by, are not at war with and kill people more or less at random based on tips or the fact they look suspicious? Where does it give him the right to alter legislation like he did with the aca?

Nixon got impeached over much less than any of this. But to impeach the first black president would be racism so he gets a free pass.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge] * 1
    #19850844 - 04/15/14 08:06 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Nixon was never impeached. Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were the only presidents ever to be impeached


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19851407 - 04/15/14 10:45 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Obama is not black, read his autobiography, his mom is an american white woman, his dad is an indonesian man (pacific islander), no african anywhere in his heritage.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19852294 - 04/16/14 04:02 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Err, I have read his autobiography and his Dad is from Kenya I believe. I think his Mum got a boyfriend in indonesia or something like that..


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19852399 - 04/16/14 04:50 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Obama is not black, read his autobiography, his mom is an american white woman, his dad is an indonesian man (pacific islander), no african anywhere in his heritage.



Despite being false, this information is completely unrelated to anything in this thread.  That you would suddenly bring race into the discussion is very telling.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19852838 - 04/16/14 08:29 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Nixon was forced out of office due to a vote on impeachment. As usual, you weasel around about technicalities. All he did allegedly was to cover up a burglary, obuma has done orders of magnitude worse crimes.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19852956 - 04/16/14 09:04 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

What crimes has Obama committed?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19853242 - 04/16/14 10:32 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

>What crimes has Obama committed?

Murdering people overseas we are not at war with including americans who were never charged with a crime, sending out drones to do apparently random killings of those who look suspicious. And of course modifying the aca which he has no constitutional authority to do. Also indefinite detentions without charges, just a few off the top of my head.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19853254 - 04/16/14 10:40 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I'm pretty sure Obama hasn't murdered anyone.  Do you have a source for this wild accusation?  Also, if you have evidence that he has committed murder, you should present it to the proper authorities.

"Modifying the ACA", which he hasn't done, wouldn't be any crime that I know of.  Can you please cite the specific criminal statute he violated?

Who has he indefinitely detained without charges?  Also, please cite the criminal statute this violates.

Thank you in advance.

Frankly, I think you're confused about what a crime is, and particularly, what murder is.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19853315 - 04/16/14 10:59 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Anwar al alaki and his son.... murdered


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19853321 - 04/16/14 10:59 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure Obama hasn't murdered anyone.  Do you have a source for this wild accusation?  Also, if you have evidence that he has committed murder, you should present it to the proper authorities.

"Modifying the ACA", which he hasn't done, wouldn't be any crime that I know of.  Can you please cite the specific criminal statute he violated?

Who has he indefinitely detained without charges?  Also, please cite the criminal statute this violates.

Thank you in advance.

Frankly, I think you're confused about what a crime is, and particularly, what murder is.



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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19853435 - 04/16/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

It's a sad event, no doubt, but that doesn't make it murder.  I'm still waiting for someone to present evidence that it was murder and that Obama is the murderer.  I understand that emotions run high when a child is killed, but that doesn't suddenly make Obama a murderer. 

If there are documents or witnesses that can prove that Obama ordered the death of a 16 year old kid unlawfully and with malice aforethought, then I'll be the first in line to call for his impeachment to answer to that charge.  Please, someone, present this evidence.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19853485 - 04/16/14 11:35 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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It's a sad event, no doubt, but that doesn't make it murder.  I'm still waiting for someone to present evidence that it was murder and that Obama is the murderer.  I understand that emotions run high when a child is killed, but that doesn't suddenly make Obama a murderer. 

If there are documents or witnesses that can prove that Obama ordered the death of a 16 year old kid unlawfully and with malice aforethought, then I'll be the first in line to call for his impeachment to answer to that charge.  Please, someone, present this evidence.



The drone strikes are under direct presidential order, both Alaki and his sone were American Citizens.
Obama is definitely stretching his "war powers" by killing american citizens without any form of trial.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19853498 - 04/16/14 11:38 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Their citizenship doesn't change anything.  Murder doesn't depend on whether or not the victim is a citizen.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19853500 - 04/16/14 11:39 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Also, special forces have been killing innocent Afghanis for years now.
As well as in Yemen with the drone strikes.


Its getting fucking absurd how big of a war pig obomba really is.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19853519 - 04/16/14 11:43 AM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Now, it's starting to sound like you're talking about civilian deaths during wartime.  That's hardly Obama murdering someone, unless you can prove that he ordered those civilians killed knowing they were non-combatants.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19853604 - 04/16/14 12:09 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Enlil how can you just say no obama is really black, he isn't look it up, stop lying to prove your points it makes you look really bad.


First and foremost of obama's crimes is failing in his sworn duty to uphold the constitution by passing the NDAA, NDRP, HR347, and HR638, I believe (might be off on the # of bills)

Enlil you are proving to be severely intellectually dishonest, it needs to stop.


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