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Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada?
#19834951 - 04/12/14 09:19 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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I heard that they stopped action after ranchers from around the US gathered in support. The deal was, the Rancher is being forced to move his cattle off by court order because he won't pay a fee, and supposedly there is a protected species of turtle.
He refused to pay the federal government, but said he would pay any and all money and fees to to the State of Nevada. He lost in court. Still he refused as a matter of principle. The BLM has been faced off with him with ARMED agents. Why are US agencies armed like the military??
Anyway, they said they won't persue the matter now. Would it have anything to do with the little deal Harry Reid made with the Chinese to build a Solar Plant on that property? 
I really don't know. I find it very strange that the federal government has backed off from getting their way in this matter.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: starfire_xes]
#19835938 - 04/13/14 01:44 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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i didnt know they backed off. Thank god, that was a fucked up situation all around. They should have just let him be, or been honest about why they were going after him, (the solar panel deal).
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: psyconaught]
#19838580 - 04/13/14 03:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually I don't think the solar panel deal was on that property, but they were threatening to expose Harry Reid's little scheme with the Chinese.
What amazes me is the number of liberals who fall to their knees and suck the oppressive, federal government's cock because of their love of a Statist Crony Capitalist Government.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: starfire_xes]
#19839288 - 04/13/14 06:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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If they backed off thats good. I heard they were stealing his cattle. I wonder if he'll get them back?
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19842327 - 04/14/14 09:40 AM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The story I read said they're giving the ones still alive back and replacing the dead ones. It is time for the federal government to divest itself of the huge tracts of basically barren land it holds throughout the West.
Why did they quit? Ruby Ridge and Waco. By the way, this rancher should fucking pay the fees. It isn't his land.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19843945 - 04/14/14 02:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pay his fees? He stopped paying them because they were not fulfilling their duties, so we should pay the government whether or not they perform their mandatory services?
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#19844314 - 04/14/14 03:54 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Obumble wasn't sure the media would cover up the story if he ordered them to shoot down the ranchers so he caved in. His approval ratings are in the cellar already.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19844435 - 04/14/14 04:23 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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There is significant evidence the white house did however order a media blackout, and shut down cell phone towers in the area, and ordered flights to stop over that air space.
They tucked tail and ran because good americans showed up with some solid american steel. ooo-rah
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#19844578 - 04/14/14 04:53 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The story would have gotten out anyway. He caved, thats the important part. With luck the dems will cave on the aca and we will be done with it.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
#19844594 - 04/14/14 04:55 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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America won't tolerate another waco, we are just on the verge of another civil war and a lot of people don't even realize it, I can't fucking wait
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#19844861 - 04/14/14 05:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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SeaShrooms said: Pay his fees? He stopped paying them because they were not fulfilling their duties, so we should pay the government whether or not they perform their mandatory services? 
What duties? To have land?
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19845112 - 04/14/14 06:27 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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You must of missed or not read about the incident at all, the BLM was tasked and contracted by the federal government to provide certain services, the land the rancher owned was in his family for generations, the land the feds amassed on was federal land, not the ranch owners land, thank you come again.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#19845240 - 04/14/14 06:51 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
SeaShrooms said: You must of missed or not read about the incident at all, the BLM was tasked and contracted by the federal government to provide certain services, the land the rancher owned was in his family for generations, the land the feds amassed on was federal land, not the ranch owners land, thank you come again.
Huh? He owed grazing fees to somebody, as he freely admitted. He didn't think it was to the feds. There also seems to be some Harry Reid stench but it isn't actionable. Yet.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#19845311 - 04/14/14 07:06 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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If a poor person squats on public land in the southwest we wouldn't call him a hero, but a rich rancher freeloads on Federal land for 20 years and he is now some kind of folk hero. Ranchers out west use state and federal land for almost nothing and they should pay more not less. The same people who hate welfare are for giving welfare to ranchers. The same people who want the poor to pay more taxes, want some rich rancher to get welfare and pay nothing to graze his cattle.
This whole debate is about giving the rich and white Americans a chance to explain how welfare is great for the rich but un-American for the poor.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: lwheidt] 1
#19845326 - 04/14/14 07:09 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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there is a difference between giving something for free and not charging to do something that doesn't cost to do in the first place. It doesn't cost the government any money to let ranchers graze that land.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: psyconaught]
#19846454 - 04/14/14 10:25 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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The land is his, it was not federal land, wtf are you guys talking about, all of the neighbouring farms sold out to the feds, he chose not too, this whole thing was about trying to take his land...
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
#19846489 - 04/14/14 10:33 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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no it was about him not paying grazing fee's on BLM land he was using.
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: psyconaught]
#19846521 - 04/14/14 10:40 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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BLM did not own the land, the federal government passed regulations to keep cattle from overgrazing, supposedly, and BLM was contracted to collect the fees, they stop performing their appointed duties and so the rancher stopped paying
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms] 1
#19846559 - 04/14/14 10:49 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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he owed grazing fee's because he was having his cattle graze on federal land land. Its really not that complicated
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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: zappaisgod]
#19846665 - 04/14/14 11:19 PM (9 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
zappaisgod said: Why did they quit? Ruby Ridge and Waco. By the way, this rancher should fucking pay the fees. It isn't his land.
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