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DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war
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Just spreading the word. There will also be one in San Fran on the same day. Is anyone going? I am. We are getting into a war that we will regret. See you there

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Buddha5254]
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Don't forget to smile for the homeland security cameras...

Oh, and say 'hi' to the Stasi operatives for me - it's a New World Order.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Buddha5254]
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Hopefully the sniper will be there.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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superpimp you fucking suck. what a vile thing to say. jesus people have the right to express their opinions about the nation's follies without getting shot. Attack Iraq? No!

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: ]
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I just figured that he would feel at home at the protest, since he would be surrounded by so many other kooks.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Evolving]
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Don't forget to smile for the homeland security cameras...

'tis true, they will be taking as many digital pics of protesters as they can, and storing them in massive databases labelled "Potential Trouble Makers"

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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So what you're saying is that people who don't believe in war are mentally disabled?

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: ]
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I just have no use for these people who are endlessly willing to stick their heads in the sand and expect bad people to just go away. The real world doesn't work like that. The meek shall inherit nothing, they will be beaten down by people who want to take what the meek have. But the meek and weak kneed(and weak minded) are never willing to accept this reality, no matter how many times it is shown to them. So the strong go offf to fight to protect what is yours, and you sit at home and raise your fist in the air to show how more morale and high minded you are. Quite frankly, the whole hippy dippy gutless fuck act has worn thin on most people, but you guys never seem willing to accept that either.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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OOOOHHHHHH!!!!!

*sniff, sniff* Does anyone else detect the unmistakeable odor of a veritable shitstorm of flames about to descend?

pinky


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Phred]
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Yes, I know. It will be the typical nonsense, and it will be ignored the way it always is.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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there are 3 sides to every story... ur side... my side... and then there is the truth...

this war is being managed by the same people who help remove 7 trillion dollars from the markets over the last 2 + years...  enron is more then just an accounting scandal... we're still using fossil fuels when back in the 70's i sat in line on odd even day lines for gas... talk about national security??? if they were really interested in national security they would have taken steps to implement technologies that produce condensation as a byproduct of the process in return for providing heat and electricity...  chevron named an oil tanker after their poster child condoleza rice(although  i wouldn't mind spending time talking with her) ... hmmmmm ....

we created saddam by allowing our elected officials to give him the weapon systems we are on him for ... and rightfully so ..  he has to be disarmed... but, we have to insure that policy will not be followed that  gives anyone anymore weapons... turkey and pakistan will lob nuclear bombs at each other given the chance... why do these countries have nuclear bombs? china will invade taiwan as a preemptive measure... congress and the senate just gave the president full authority to act on our behalf regarding any war declaration ... dangerous precedents are being set....

as i said... we have to do something.... but i worry that once we attack him we will be attacked at home as well as on the battlefield.... i believe we have the toughest military the world has ever seen from a technology standpoint. but this administration is aware of the domestic attack possibilities we worry about some asswipe shooting at us as we load our cars with things we just bought. are we ready for war in our neighborhoods?

i have no fear really...i understand the nature of this fight and i'm prepared for the worst.. i heard some ridiculous numbers given regarding missing tactical weapons missing from russia's arsenal... the numbers were from between 75 and 200... 1 missing is bad news... biological is another issue... in one sense i oppse arresting middle eastern men who are us citizens... but on the other hand i don't want family , friends and neighbors killed... we're going to war... just understand that this will be painful...

i believe both parties have failed us on many levels... and unless we take our heads out of our asses and begin to hold them accountable we may loose our freedoms eventually... my grandfather died on a beach in france somewhere along side hundreds of his friends one day... and the ideals he died for are not understood by the scumsuckers who jocky for votes constantly ... i listen to almost all of and caught a good portion of the house and senate vote for war power transfer... dems who voted yes did so because they are up for re election in area's heavilly won by bush.... and republicans voted no in area's where bush ran weak.... check it for yourself... every fucking one of them...

if war breaks out, i would like the right to carry a sidearm... i'll be responsible for me... in israel everyone who served in the military carries their issued sidearm... i'm glad they do that ... their people live in fear there... but, a majority want a peaceful ending... i was told by a friend that odds were arafat and sharon may share family blood through dna testing... these people came from the same tribe years ago... one group began believing this... the other eventually began to believe that (religious faith) the dividing line between powers that exist was created...i hate u because i believe my concept of god is correct and yours isn't ... thats the bullshit people in power have used throughout history to get us to hate one another... when in reality it really boiled down to a group of greedy men trying to screw another group of greedy men... in order to have momentum behind a movement, u need to build consensus. this administration is said to be spending more money on PR firms to understand what u are thinking ... and if it isn't what is needed for consensus... your mind is massaged whatever way is needed...

we enjoy this hobby because we can think for ourselves.... and understand (hopefully) what it is we're working with and nurturing.. it opens my mind to possbilities... i heard that better then 95% of the worlds population would want to work toward peace... that means only 5 percent want war... i say lets drop them all off on an accomodating island somewhere give them all the same guns and knives ("saving privateryan"  that hand to hand scene where 2 men fought for control of a knife that was used to kill 1 of them blew me away)... it blew me away... whoever is left is given a door prize and then told the rest of us would like them to chill out... too simple

alright ... if we go to war... we make sure that noone working for us in the house and senate passes legislation that will jeopordize or hurt the american people in anyway.. and try to insure whatever legislation that is passed doesn't hurt others... get technology into gear. change the path we're on.... 

there's more... buit i've rambled enough... i did'nt post to flame anyone... peace



Georgie Porgie

Anni :wink:   

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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****.............Quite frankly, the whole hippy dippy gutless fuck act has worn thin on most people, but you guys never seem willing to accept that either.****

wow pimp i didn't know you had that in ya...i agree...

Kumbia my lord, kumbia....kumbia my lord...*BAM*!!!!!............


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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Are you in the military now and preparing to go over to Iraq?? If not, shut up. I am tired of all the people who want war as long as THEY don't have to actually do the fighting. A warmonger who isn't in the service is a hypocrite and an idiot.
This isn't a flame. It is truth. When you are unarmed facing 300 police officers and guardsmen armed with clubs and mace and you stand your ground peacefully, then come back and talk about how gutless others are.


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: postalboy]
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****Are you in the military now and preparing to go over to Iraq?? If not, shut up. ****

so only those presently in the military can express their opinion?....are you in the military now? if not then heed your advice...just a thought

****When you are unarmed facing 300 police officers and guardsmen armed with clubs and mace and you stand your ground peacefully****

when did this happen?


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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Pimp...your post left me speechless, which is no easy task. I have rarely seen such ignorance condensed into one post...you are obviously the one with his head in the sand, eating up whatever GW feeds you, and then asking for more. I do agree with you on the fact that we need to make bad people go away...unfortunately GW is at the top of the worlds "bad people" list right now...not Saddam.


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Edited by Rono (10/16/02 11:33 AM)

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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Dude it's not that I am a pussy, etc. I simply don't believe in war on moral grounds. I think we have not exhausted all of our possibilities for peaceful resolution to this problem in Iraq. I do not want to kill people because I believe in nonviolence. This war isn't about terrorism; that's just a cover. It's about OIL.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: postalboy]
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I was in the Navy for 6 years, and now I wish I was still in. I would like nothing better than to go over there and do my share. I'd much rather be part of the action than watching it on tv.
If Rono hates my opinions I know I must be right.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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In reply to:
If Rono hates my opinions I know I must be right.

Ah..I see...is that because you've provided so much information to contradict anything I've said? And for the record before you call me a "hippy" or whatever, let me remind you I have also served in the Military, and would do so again if I felt that Canada was being threatened. But anyone who seriously thinks that Iraq is any more of a threat to the U.S. than any other country is ignorant to the issue at hand.


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Rono]
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C'mon Rono, Iraqi troops are amassing on the U.S. border as we type. Saddam Hussein's Islamic Fundamentalist regime has promised a jihad against all western civilization and vows to replace all secular regimes... right?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Evolving]
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If the U.S. was threatening to invade your country, would it not make sense to defend yourself? Ask yourself this...who is the instigator here?


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

Edited by Rono (10/16/02 02:07 PM)

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Rono]
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***served in the Military, and would do so again if I felt that Canada was being threatened***

there's a canadian joke here but i don't have the heart to use it... so i'll just smile  :grin:...j/k


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Rono]
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Guess you missed the sarcasm in my last post.

Mideast meddling by the U.S. boils down to two things, OIL and Judeo-Christian Civilization vs. Islamic 'civilization.' In the case of Iraq, it's all about the OIL. To believe that our political 'leaders' have the best interests of the Iraqi people or their neighbors (with the exception of Isreal) in mind is simply naive. Has anybody read Machievelli's 'The Prince'?


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Evolving]
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Superpimp, fuck you for your comments. Hoping that the sniper will be there? Jesus man come on. I have debates with friends all the time that think we should invade Iraq, but I never expected someone to say anything like that. If you dont have any constructive comments on the issue dont post. I hope there is a way to vote you out of being a "mod" I hope the next time you trip you have a nervous breakdown because you realize how horrible of a person you are. Go help out our forces when they are getting gassed and shit and see how much you like it then dumb ass. Maybe we should let you invade since you know everything, and let you do some ninja shit on Saddam, then you could be my hero. I also am not a hippie without a back bone, i just think this war is going to cause a lot more shit than anybody is prepared to deal with. If we attack, all kinds of shit is going to break loose. I'll be back tonite after class and I have a post ready that you will really enjoy. Its informative, not insulting to you. THat's all out of the way now. I still hate you for wishing that the sniper is at the protest.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Buddha5254]
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calm down there, little feller...................


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Innvertigo]
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No, he's right. What I said was very insensitive and stupid. I apologize for that. I know better than to shoot my mouth off like that, but I went and did it anyway. I was trying to make a point, and I did it very badly. For that, I'm sorry, I didn't really mean to wind people up quite this much, I just wanted to stir the pot a little bit, and I went about it all wrong. This was especially bad since I am one of the mods in this forum and part of my job is to keep other members here from doing exactly what I just did. So again, I appologize, and it won't happen again.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: superpimp]
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Hmmm i would never go to a protest

The NWO can't wait to try out some new technological non-lethal weapons of war. Most of it will be new chemical rioting control, but others like high pitch-sound blasters. Shit if you go to a protest, i must say your BRAVE!


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: ]
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Apology accepted. And I apologize for wishing that you have a bad trip superpimp.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Buddha5254]
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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Buddha5254]
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There will be no war


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Shroomism]
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I certainly hope not, but I think at this point it is inevitable. Bush is going to take over Iraq come hell or high water...


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"Life has never been weird enough for my liking"

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Rono]
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No war, however, will not stop a protest. You guys would protest Bush if he decided to stop supporting Israel just because he's a Republican. Sorry, there was a time when a protest meant something.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Rono]
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Threats of war.. thats all
Neither side has anything to gain from a war
It will not happen.


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Shroomism]
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There will be a conflict, but I predict it will mostly consist of our special forces destroying weapons plants and assassinating key political figures in Iraq.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Anonymous]
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****You guys would protest Bush if he decided to stop supporting Israel ****

i like the sound of the hammer when it hits the nail on the head....


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Innvertigo]
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There is a distinct difference between "supporting" and turning a blind eye...


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Rono]
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****There is a distinct difference between "supporting" and turning a blind eye... ****

apparantly not in the libbie realm..........


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Innvertigo]
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Bush is a "libbie"?


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Rono]
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i was referring to the libbie protesters......but at times GWB does lean to the left.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Anonymous]
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You guys would protest Bush if he

I would protest Dubya if he was giving blood to a dying child. Not because he is a republican but because he was not elected to office. He was placed in office. Therefore he is a dictator. Maybe Hussein should invade us to replace our dictator with a democratic officer again.


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: postalboy]
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Buddah, in reply to your post, I am thankful that there will be a protest, and I dont give a fuck who takes my picture, I will be there to defend what I believe in. I would fight for American if it was a war where I thought we should be involved in. I dont think Saddam should have the weapons, however I feel that it is just a big cover-up for the real reason: OIL...like a fellow member above had stated.

Boy Bush and Daddy Bush have this fucking regime of Mr. Fucking Rich Oil men who would do anything for their precious oil. Goddamn _____ should get off the oil shit and start spending some money on renewable, clean energy and fuel cell cars. The technology is here, why not do something with it. America is going to go downhill in 50 years when our entire industrialized economy will run out of oil. Then what the fuck are we going to do? Dump the millons (billons?) of unusable cars, planes, boats and trains into the ocean? I wouldnt be suprised. Hell, lets cut down the fucking forests while where at it. :crazy: :confused:

The fact that superpimp stated that, is too bad. Im glad you reconized this and apoligized.  Why you hate hippies so much?

Think about it, at the rate we are going, and the WWII industrialized economy of the past, we wont have any fresh air to breathe, no forests to get away to in, and no fossil fuels. There is a lot of money to be made in the way of creating a cleaner, healthier envoirnment for the future, not the past. 

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: postalboy]
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****because he was not elected to office. He was placed in office. Therefore he is a dictator****

please read the constitution before making such obviously bitter remarks...look up electoral college.


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Innvertigo]
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if our economy wasn't so bad....i would think its not such a bad idea to bomb iraq, but i think we have a few alterior motives for this one.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: MsPacMan]
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like?


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: MsPacMan]
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what? :smile:

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: angryshroom]
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I really don't want a war with Iraq but what should be done with Saddam?  I can't honestly say I trust the man and don't think many people do.  So, any ideas on what should be done about him as opposed to just saying that war is bad and dubya is evil or let's go to war and blow things up?  I never seem to see many alternatives to war anywhere.
I don't know what to do about the situation, so that's why I'm asking about alternatives.  I've talked to a lot of people that feel the same as I do, that something should be done,  and most of us aren't quite sure what we think should be done.  :laugh: 

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: eltardo]
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****I've talked to a lot of people that feel the same as I do****

feel the same as you do? you didn't say anything......


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: Innvertigo]
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I have thanks.  :smirk:

The electoral college has changed how it was performed roughly 3-4 times.  There would be a controversy regarding the votes and then they would change how it works.  It is a farce. 

*side note for conspiracy theorists*
Of the few times a "president" was elected without winning the popular vote, 2 of them had fathers who were presidents. 

And a quote from Stalin
"Those who vote decide nothing.  Those who count the votes decide everything."

Think of that quote next time you stick up for Dictator Dubya.  I also advise people to read up on the real story behind the florida voting debacle.  Thousands of oversea ballots were counted even when sent in late or missing proper date stamps. 


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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: postalboy]
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In reply to:
Think of that quote next time you stick up for Dictator Dubya. I also advise people to read up on the real story behind the florida voting debacle. Thousands of oversea ballots were counted even when sent in late or missing proper date stamps.


Come on, the democrats are just as heavily if not more heavily involved in voter fraud as the republicans. Remember seeing those cross-eyed liberal goofs, attempting to divine the voters intention by looking at ballots that weren't even punched? They were definately trying to manufacture votes out of thin air. In California, the liberals register illegal aliens to vote!

The U.S. is a Republic not a democracy. The electoral college is in place to keep large states from politically dominating smaller states - all part of that checks and balances thing. Anyway, democracy is highly overrated. A great man once said that democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on what to have for dinner. Democracy is no guarantee of freedom, it is no guarentee of justice, it is no guarantee of equality, it is merely a means of collective decision making - nothing more. Remember, Adolph Hitler was democratically elected and what he did was legal.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.

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Re: DC protest OCT 26 against Iraq war [Re: postalboy]
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***The electoral college has changed how it was performed roughly 3-4 times. ***

who cares? what does it say now?..the rules aren't liquid like so many libbies want it to be. BTW the rules can't just change without a ratification.

****There would be a controversy regarding the votes and then they would change how it works. It is a farce.****

so what if the libbies think it's a farce (as they do with all laws they don't agree with ie: right to bear arms, religious beliefs, freedom of speech, etc......basically the bill of rights) it's the law..if you don't like it the change it..don't just think that YOU (not you in particular)don't have to follow it.

***Think of that quote next time you stick up for Dictator Dubya***

i'm not sticking up for GWB....i'm sticking up for the Constitution....

****I also advise people to read up on the real story behind the florida voting debacle****

we have and it's clearly obvious that Gore and his trial lawyers ignored the law. To argue that, that didn't happen is just naive.....and that is the REAL story. Not the one on CNN or from terry macullah(sp)


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America....FUCK YEAH!!!

Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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