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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19909497 - 04/27/14 09:29 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Nuclear power is still far safer than coal.





Right up to the point where you can't dispose of the waste.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: sweeper54]
    #19909550 - 04/27/14 09:45 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Nuclear power is still far safer than coal.





Right up to the point where you can't dispose of the waste.



with the newest generation of breeder reactions we could reuse the waste we currently have and reduce it by up to 95%.

Nuclear technology currently in use is extremely out dated. Here in the U.S the most up to date reaction was built in the 70's.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19910605 - 04/28/14 06:48 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm know a little about Nuclear technology, our town is within the 10 mile radius of VT Yankee and I'm part of the Emergency Management Team for the town.

I don't have a problem with Nuclear Power Generation, it's the waste even when they are shut down the waste sits there. We're also in the 10 mile radius of Yankee Rowe it was deactivated in '92 and the waste is still up there.


The problem we have is the same as with oil, fuel for the current line of reactors is still cheap and most lazy americans don't know or don't care about the spent fuel, all they know is when an accident happens.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: sweeper54]
    #19910678 - 04/28/14 07:21 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

It's a moot point, really, since current reactor technology can't replace coal generation completely.  Unless fusion becomes viable, nuclear power will always be a small percentage of power generation.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: solomilitia]
    #19911057 - 04/28/14 10:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Nuclear power is still far safer than coal.



I thaught you where smarter than that




Nope

The waste problem has not been solved. Breeder reactors simply make plutonium which is highly toxic. Thorium reactors, can reduce some high level wastes but not low level wastes which more of are generated. Its the low level waste that is bulky and hard to store for long periods. High level waste is more dangerous but less of it.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19911116 - 04/28/14 10:40 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Nonetheless, we have a 50 year history including over 14,000 reactor-years of operation, with only three significant accidents.  In contrast, coal is far more dangerous, with accidents occurring every year.  That is, of course, on top of the premature deaths caused by long term work in coal mines.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19911138 - 04/28/14 10:51 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

So again back to the point why didn't they just send dog the bounty hunter in there to take the dipshit. I highly doubt they would fuck with him with camera crews and shit around they would shoot dog?  I don't think so and it would be awsome to watch...


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19911154 - 04/28/14 10:56 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

He's not a fugitive, dude.  He's not charged with any crime.  He violated a few court orders from a couple of civil cases...that's all.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19911176 - 04/28/14 11:02 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

well i believe when you owe that much money and refuse to pay they can subpoena him and if he still refuses then put a warrent out?? but your the pro.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19911200 - 04/28/14 11:10 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

As I've said multiple times throughout this thread, this isn't about the money.  This is about court orders from 2013 requiring him to remove his cattle from the land and giving the federal government the authority to seize any cattle he doesn't remove.

As far as I can tell, the feds didn't even seek a money judgment in the case.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19912129 - 04/28/14 02:33 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

^ That of course ignores the dangers of mining the uranium, and above all, storing the toxic waste that stays toxic for thousands of years. The major nuke accidents are bad enough and there will be more. If you have your head in the sand nukes look a lot cleaner.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19912144 - 04/28/14 02:36 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I didn't say cleaner...I said safer.  If/when nuclear power catches up to coal in terms of deaths per kwh, then I'll alter my opinion.  I suspect that day will never come, however.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19912733 - 04/28/14 04:43 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Someone, is in the dark about how natural gas and lpg is taking the place of coal. Someone is also in the dark about how much danger there is from radiation released and that which must be stored forever.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19912762 - 04/28/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Solar energy is the way of the future.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Smokey420]
    #19912824 - 04/28/14 05:01 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Someone is also in the dark about how much danger there is from radiation released and that which must be stored forever.



agreed. Another reason we need to move away from coal, coal ash is more radioactive than nuclear waste.

Who's in the dark again?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/coal-ash-is-more-radioactive-than-nuclear-waste/

Heres the last sentence of the editors note:
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As a general clarification, ounce for ounce, coal ash released from a power plant delivers more radiation than nuclear waste shielded via water or dry cask storage.




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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Smokey420]
    #19912829 - 04/28/14 05:02 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Someone, is in the dark about how natural gas and lpg is taking the place of coal. Someone is also in the dark about how much danger there is from radiation released and that which must be stored forever.



Coal is still the largest source of electrical generation in the U.S. and the world.  It's also the most abundant source of fuel.  We're going to be stuck with coal for many years to come.

And lpg comes from oil, so it'll be gone when the oil is.

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Solar energy is the way of the future.



Not unless we can greatly increase efficiency of panels and batteries.  Current solar technology cant replace fossil fuels.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19912911 - 04/28/14 05:18 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Someone, is in the dark about how natural gas and lpg is taking the place of coal. Someone is also in the dark about how much danger there is from radiation released and that which must be stored forever.



Coal is still the largest source of electrical generation in the U.S. and the world.  It's also the most abundant source of fuel.  We're going to be stuck with coal for many years to come.

And lpg comes from oil, so it'll be gone when the oil is.

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Solar energy is the way of the future.



Not unless we can greatly increase efficiency of panels and batteries.  Current solar technology cant replace fossil fuels.




That's why i said its the way of the future.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Smokey420]
    #19912925 - 04/28/14 05:22 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

It's a much better idea to get fusion working.  Solar will always have the drawback of only working during the day.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19913622 - 04/28/14 07:53 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

> Another reason we need to move away from coal, coal ash is more radioactive than nuclear waste.

Not true, they compare coal ash which is released into the environment to the radiation which is released by nuke plants which of course do not allow any radioactive materials to escape. Aren't supposed to but take fukushima...

So that is a false comparison. Coal ash is a problem too, i am not advocating coal.

>And lpg comes from oil, so it'll be gone when the oil is.

Natural gas is booming and we have such huge reserves and availability we are exporting it. It has ended our energy dependence.

Renewables are a reasonable source of power, solar and wind. Also biofuels, like hemp for example. Nukes are a long term headache and we have no reasonable answers.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19913685 - 04/28/14 08:09 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Solar and wind aren't viable on a scale necessary to replace coal or nuclear.  Biofuel requires far too much agriculture land to ever be more than a novelty.

Ps. America is still hopelessly dependant on foreign oil.


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