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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19853627 - 04/16/14 12:15 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Enlil how can you just say no obama is really black, he isn't look it up, stop lying to prove your points it makes you look really bad.



I never said Obama was black.  I said you were making false statements by claiming his father is Indonesian.  His father is Kenyan.
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First and foremost of obama's crimes is failing in his sworn duty to uphold the constitution by passing the NDAA, NDRP, HR347, and HR638, I believe (might be off on the # of bills)


Failing in his sworn duty isn't any crime that I'm aware of.  Please cite the criminal statute that this violates.
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Enlil you are proving to be severely intellectually dishonest, it needs to stop.


This site has an ignore function.  I suggest you use it to protect your delicate eyes.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19853637 - 04/16/14 12:16 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

SS, you are right.

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>Now, it's starting to sound like you're talking about civilian deaths during wartime.

We are not at war with any of the countries where he is murdering people left and right.

Obummer violated the constitution when he modified the aca. The constitution clearly gives that power to congress not to executive branch. He doesn't have to violate a criminal statute to be guilty of a crime, you are ignorant in your statement. Violating the constitution is a crime in itself.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19853645 - 04/16/14 12:18 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

We are certainly at war.  The fact that it was not declared by Congress is irrelevant.  He is acting under the authority of Congress and the War Powers Act.

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He doesn't have to violate a criminal statute to be guilty of a crime, you are ignorant in your statement. Violating the constitution is a crime in itself.



Please support this statement.  Thank you in advance.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19853872 - 04/16/14 12:59 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

BTW We arent at war with Yemen.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19853890 - 04/16/14 01:03 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Well you bomb them and have been for a while.

Is that not war?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: EddYerb]
    #19853918 - 04/16/14 01:08 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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Well you bomb them and have been for a while.

Is that not war?



Not technically, the president needs congressional approval to have troops on the ground more than 60 days, according to the War Powers Resolution.

Drone strikes and bombings are a grey area when it comes to congressional approval.
The same debate was going on when Clinton bombed kosovo in the 90's



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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19854070 - 04/16/14 01:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

The fact other presidents did similar things without being called to account does not mean its ok. Murder is murder no matter how weasels try to play word games with it.

>BTW We arent at war with Yemen.

Nor with any of the other countries in which we are committing acts of war.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19854139 - 04/16/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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He doesn't have to violate a criminal statute to be guilty of a crime, you are ignorant in your statement. Violating the constitution is a crime in itself.



Please support this statement.  Thank you in advance.




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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19859618 - 04/17/14 12:13 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

So you don't recognize that the U.S. is harboring international war criminals? Every other country in the world does...


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19859652 - 04/17/14 12:22 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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So you don't recognize that the U.S. is harboring international war criminals? Every other country in the world does...



No.  I recognize the notion of innocent until proven guilty.  Who is the U.S. "harboring" that has been found guilty of war crimes?


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19859673 - 04/17/14 12:26 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Dick Cheney, congress has even had to break down and start an investigation of fraud against him, and he played a huge roll in the torture program.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19859686 - 04/17/14 12:29 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

So, you're saying that Cheney has been convicted of war crimes?  Cite a source, please.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19859700 - 04/17/14 12:32 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

I am stating the official national opinion of other countries, how about you look it up.

When I provide sources you say they are invalid, and give no reason why, and ignore comments from other users calling you out on it.

It has become apparent you are just a professional incognito troll.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19859725 - 04/17/14 12:38 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

If he was convicted, there should be a record of it.  I'm not asking for anything top secret.  If he was convicted, there's a public record of that conviction. 

If he hasn't been convicted, what nations have requested extradition of Dick Cheney? 

It's a simple concept, bro.  He's innocent until proven guilty.  As far as I know, he hasn't been proven guilty of any war crimes.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19859758 - 04/17/14 12:50 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

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I am stating the official national opinion of other countries, how about you look it up.




The "official national opinion" means... jack shit.

Now, I'll echo Enlil's question...

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So, you're saying that Cheney has been convicted of war crimes?  Cite a source, please.




And again, in case you missed it...

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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19859769 - 04/17/14 12:53 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Saying he is convicted of war crimes and is a war criminal are not the same, to be convicted of war crimes would require the cooperation of an international body, say the U.N. which will never happen, this is only an indication of the fact the system is rigged.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19859791 - 04/17/14 12:58 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

So, you assume he's a war criminal because someone told you so...yet he's never been convicted of anything or even had a trial.  That's pretty un-American of you, dude.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19859800 - 04/17/14 01:00 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

Because the entire legal system of this country and multiple national bodies protects him and calls people fighting for the liberation of their countries terrorists? I don't know about you but I remember my roots, my ancestors fought in the revolutionary war, and I can not abide by this.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #19859829 - 04/17/14 01:07 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

They fought in that war to ensure that people don't just get locked up without due process.  That due process includes the presumption of innocence and the right to a fair trial.  I guess you feel you should have the right to bypass due process if you have a strong hunch that someone is guilty, though.


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Re: Why Did The BLM Stop Action Against the Rancer in Nevada? [Re: Enlil]
    #19859848 - 04/17/14 01:11 PM (9 years, 9 months ago)

A strong hunch? You are kidding right?


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