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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
are you insane? i think i've been about burgerbrained out.

that isn't police homicide stats...correct...but...WTF are you babbling about anyways? those are stats that show the proportion of committal of homocide between blacks against whites and vice versa.

Race of victim: White total: 3,005 / Race of offender White: 2,509 -- as in 2,509 people were killed by whites in 2013, in comparison to the 406 that were killed by Blacks -- let's look more into this disparity...

Race of victim: Black total: 2,491 / Race of offender White: 189 -- to the disproportionate 2,245 blacks killed by blacks.

you say whites are killed more by blacks, but obviously ^ that isn't fucking true, in fact, it's the opposite.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide

"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"

^ there goes your stupid bullshit, out the window.

black people kill more black people, and whites kill more whites...oh and BTW, in A HIGHER PROPORTION than in black on black homocide.

:smirk:



The one correlation or factoid about murder and race that we can make that is irrefutable is that more black men between 16-30 are being murdered and committing murders than any other racial or age class in America.  By a pretty big margin.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Serial killing is not a statistically significant amount of violent crime.



Then you should have said that a statistically significant amount of violent crime is correlated to poverty levels.  instead you said that violent crimes are correlated to poverty.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
The one correlation or factoid about murder and race that we can make that is irrefutable is that more black men between 16-30 are being murdered and committing murders than any other racial or age class in America.  By a pretty big margin.



no. not true. you should at least look in the stats from the post you are quoting.

the average is actually not much higher leaning to the blacks.
"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
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MLK, a republican, would be horrified by their actions



considering how the country is so far right leaning that they're almost fully within their own bootstraps they practically make a wormhole, i don't think he'd agree with much of what's being said in the media, online, by people whom are republican, whom support the idea that 1st amendment rights are not as important as being aggravated on the drive to work.

and also that the BLM was named so aptly to be inclusive only, and that there are provocateurs at their own rallies, but nevertheless, let's not get it twisted here...the US is losing their shit, and even white people -as a race; in solidarity - are getting into the debate as if they're under attack. lol, when BLM isn't even a race issue. it's a police issue. lol

yeah, he'd be horrified...at the republicans too.



"BLM isn't even a race issue. it's a police issue"

http://blacklivesmatter.com/guiding-principles/

"We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family"

BLM is a race based movement that is clearly racist, the police issue is just the excuse to get their agenda started in the first place, they don't get two shits about black lives.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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dude...wtf man, don't do that shit. cherry-picking, it's disgusting. here is the full context: 'We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.'

under the heading "Black Villages". they simply do not trust the establishment and aim to restore their faith in themselves, in the community, by forging a new type of family structure, more focused on the community as a village, then as individual block units of family per home.

that's it. and nothing is racist about that, the only thing that can be perceived as racial is the heading, but it's because they are majority black protesters DOING THE FUCKING PROTEST.

God, sometimes, i'm astounded at how you'll warp the perception to suit your own narrative.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
dude...wtf man, don't do that shit. cherry-picking, it's disgusting. here is the full context: 'We are committed to disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, and especially “our” children to the degree that mothers, parents and children are comfortable.'

under the heading "Black Villages". they simply do not trust the establishment and aim to restore their faith in themselves, in the community, by forging a new type of family structure, more focused on the community as a village, then as individual block units of family per home.

that's it. and nothing is racist about that, the only thing that can be perceived as racial is the heading, but it's because they are majority black protesters DOING THE FUCKING PROTEST.

God, sometimes, i'm astounded at how you'll warp the perception to suit your own narrative.



Do you know the best place to go to satisfy one's thirst for "black villages"?  Africa!!  That's where they all need to go if they don't like it here in the US.

But guess what?  Not one of them would leave their "oppressed" life by the white man for the liberating freedom of Africa, I wonder why?  :rofl2:

Edited by qman (12/01/15 11:28 AM)

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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look...i'll just say this very slowly for you...make you sure you read it just as slowly...

i don't agree with people building cities within the US (or any free country) for ONLY blacks, or ONLY whites...did you know that several times white people, including a Neo-nazi, at one point as well, tried to propose cities of inclusion? neo-nazi whites only city...there was even a proposal for a city for only the richest in America...you know why none of that happened? because no one wants to see that happen in a free country, because it sets a bad precedent. the neo-nazi actually did buy up a bunch of land in order to keep his dream of whites only alive.

point is...i don't agree with making a city or a village with a nation, separate from all the rest (see DC for more confirmation of why that's a shitty idea) BUT...you slowly, very slowly, (or maybe it's a racial issue :smirk:), IMMENSELY SLOWLY...forgot to note that they don't propose to literally make a black only village...where they can make their own laws and change the rules, run their own game...no, they are just advocating for more advocacy, protection, more volunteering, basically just more general regard for the outside community that they are already a part of.

you're idea that wish to change a certain space of the country, and label it their own, and have their own rules there...is not only foolish and preposterous...it's also not what was laid out in what you "quoted". :facepalm: gotta love racial condemnation based on faulty evidence.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
KauaiOrca said:
The one correlation or factoid about murder and race that we can make that is irrefutable is that more black men between 16-30 are being murdered and committing murders than any other racial or age class in America.  By a pretty big margin.



no. not true. you should at least look in the stats from the post you are quoting.

the average is actually not much higher leaning to the blacks.
"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"



The homicide rate of non-latino blacks in America is 19.4 per 100,000 persons.

The homicide rate of non-latino whites in America is 2.5 per 100,000 person

A black man is 9 times more likely to die of homicide than a white man.  These are facts, not opinions.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: KauaiOrca]
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KauaiOrca said:
akira_akuma said:
KauaiOrca said:
The one correlation or factoid about murder and race that we can make that is irrefutable is that more black men between 16-30 are being murdered and committing murders than any other racial or age class in America.  By a pretty big margin.



no. not true. you should at least look in the stats from the post you are quoting.

the average is actually not much higher leaning to the blacks.
"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"



The homicide rate of non-latino blacks in America is 19.4 per 100,000 persons.

The homicide rate of non-latino whites in America is 2.5 per 100,000 person

A black man is 9 times more likely to die of homicide than a white man.  These are facts, not opinions.



Please don't throw around facts on black violence, you might get called a bad name.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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hey Qman why is his statistics with no source incontrovertible proof but the ones i provided from the FBI website is just chopped liver?

care to explain or is it...

Quote:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide

"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"

^ there goes your stupid bullshit, out the window.



???

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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qman said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-confrontation/

Trump doesn't put up with nonsense from these retards, this isn't a college campus anymore. :lol:






haha omg. i love him so much.  he doesnt bend or give a flying fuck.  the man has conviction in his character and will always do what he feels is right no matter what, and you cant buy him because he's already rich.  He's the only repulican I wont kill myself over being elected.


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When telling the truth becomes an act of treason, and society chooses delusion and deception over fundamental reality, you've been invaded and infiltrated by other beings that have now integrated into your country and community.  Bless our reptile overlords who control, harvest, and eat us.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: sprinkles]
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he is truly the biggest foot in the collective mouth of republicans simply because he's such a loud mouth bigoted idiot who couldn't tell his own bootstraps enough bullshit to make them pull.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: sprinkles]
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sprinkles said:
qman said:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-confrontation/

Trump doesn't put up with nonsense from these retards, this isn't a college campus anymore. :lol:






haha omg. i love him so much.  he doesnt bend or give a flying fuck.  the man has conviction in his character and will always do what he feels is right no matter what, and you cant buy him because he's already rich.  He's the only repulican I wont kill myself over being elected.



I agree, he is something wonderful.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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harvey levin you are from canada, you have no say on this matter.  but I will forgive you honey because you're slow and you cant help it.  :happyheart:

"im from canada, they think im slow.  Aye?" -one of barts classmates on the Simpsons


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: qman]
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that's incredible...the gullibility of the electorate.

he's a great showman, says what he thinks, frequently sources propaganda to tweet by mistake, cannot understand the simplest task in foreign policy, can't think of anything to run for other than to build a wall, that'll cost the taxpayers a nice hefty sum, and also will pay for the deportation of how many immigrants, and will have to make up for those losses in revenue, unemployment will still be low, but hey, i love him anyway...plus, he's a  business frau--erm--business MAN! YES...um...i love him so....sweet Donald...i hope you never part with your hair pieces during a speech, that'd...that'd be embarrassing.

take this as satire, it's only my opinion that...Donald Trump is a strange person to trust.

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harvey levin you are from canada, you have no say on this matter.  but I will forgive you honey because you're slow and you cant help it.  :happyheart:

"im from canada, they think im slow.  Aye?" -one of barts classmates on the Simpsons



well, i can't argue with that. :sadyes: :imslow:

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
hey Qman why is his statistics with no source incontrovertible proof but the ones i provided from the FBI website is just chopped liver?

care to explain or is it...

Quote:
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide

"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"

^ there goes your stupid bullshit, out the window.



???



These numbers come from the FBI crime statistics.  It's well known.  Nearly 9 times as many younger black men are killed by murder than whites are.  These are facts.  What they mean is another story. But the facts are the facts.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: KauaiOrca]
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source? my source says different...

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

Race of victim: White total: 3,005 / Race of offender White: 2,509 -- as in 2,509 people were killed by whites in 2013, in comparison to the 406 that were killed by Blacks -- let's look more into this disparity...

Race of victim: Black total: 2,491 / Race of offender White: 189 -- to the disproportionate 2,245 blacks killed by blacks.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide

"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"


seems like by my SOURCE - which i'd still like yours BTW, a link i mean, that i can read - my source is saying that it's actually about average, and nowhere near what you're saying.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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are you guys taking american refugees yet?  If not I will be needing a green card.  I guess I'll have to be the one in the relationship who works though, since you never leave your house or even drive.  I guess that would make you the domestic house boy.  Oh well.  As long as we know whats expected of one another and what our roles are I suppose.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
source? my source says different...

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

Race of victim: White total: 3,005 / Race of offender White: 2,509 -- as in 2,509 people were killed by whites in 2013, in comparison to the 406 that were killed by Blacks -- let's look more into this disparity...

Race of victim: Black total: 2,491 / Race of offender White: 189 -- to the disproportionate 2,245 blacks killed by blacks.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide

"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"


seems like by my SOURCE - which i'd still like yours BTW, a link i mean, that i can read - my source is saying that it's actually about average, and nowhere near what you're saying.



What does your source say the rate per 100,000 people is? That's what matters.  Blacks constitute about 12% of Americans ... so you have to take that into consideration.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: KauaiOrca]
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which is why i'd love a link to your source. i suck, generally, at finding this shit, because i don't subscribe to any particular news outlet, nor do i read much about politics, unless i'm engaged already; most my time reading goes to other topics.

i like all the economy talk and stuff that goes on in this place, i like it...but i don't have the biggest pedigree, not at all. same with that other area so hotly contested here, statistics. it's just not my thing...:shrug: care to get me those numbers, because i can't take your word for it, just on a tip, because you seem to have the numbers, but without seeing them in front of me from a source, i can't make sense of any of it.

why the rate per 100,000 people? why is that so important? either way i'd love to try and make sense of your numbers, if you have them linked from somewhere or....?

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