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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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Bigbadwooof said:
hostileuniverse said:
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Our country will go broke trying to keep every human alive as long as technology can possible allow.  That's reality. 

Over 50% of ALL health care spending happens in the last 2 years of life.  That's ridiculous.



It is ridiculous, but as long as the person is wiiling to spend it, I think that should be their right, also it's another very important reason to oppose single payer. If you want to die as soon as you get cancer, so be it. But please, don't make that decision for the rest of us.

KEEP YOUR LAWS OFF MY BODY!



Are you saying you support doctor assisted euthanasia? There may be a liberal innyou afterall! :smile:




Coming from the same "derp liberal derp" that said Palin was a moron for mentioning death panels.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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burgerbrain said:
Wow, strawman much? Who said I wanted to put down thieves? This is the extent of liberal debate these days.

My ancestors didn't steal anything from the Indians, or enslave anyone, so what the fuck are you talking about?

If someone attempts to hurt me or my family then they will get what's coming. What's the problem with that, liberal?

Yes liberals are the problem.



yes, they are. liberals like yourself are the problem.

no one attempted to hurt you or your family...in fact, no attempted to hurt anyone at that protest...save the people in the article...that's what the article is about.

see, i made the analogy of the thief, because statistics say that America robbed the land from the Indians, just like some people want to push that BLM people are being racist, America has a history of racism, and it doesn't just "go away".

and instead of facing it, they'd rather just cut the head of the snake, and say "do away with it".

which is unconstitutional (the aim to stop BLM protests), and unethical as all fuck, even if it's just opinions.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
burgerbrain said:
Wow, strawman much? Who said I wanted to put down thieves? This is the extent of liberal debate these days.

My ancestors didn't steal anything from the Indians, or enslave anyone, so what the fuck are you talking about?

If someone attempts to hurt me or my family then they will get what's coming. What's the problem with that, liberal?

Yes liberals are the problem.



yes, they are. liberals like yourself are the problem.

no one attempted to hurt you or your family...in fact, no attempted to hurt anyone at that protest...save the people in the article...that's what the article is about.

see, i made the analogy of the thief, because statistics say that America robbed the land from the Indians, just like some people want to push that BLM people are being racist, America has a history of racism, and it doesn't just "go away".

and instead of facing it, they'd rather just cut the head of the snake, and say "do away with it".

which is unconstitutional (the aim to stop BLM protests), and unethical as all fuck, even if it's just opinions.



So many thing wrong with your anti-white attitude. I'm a liberal? HAHAHAH Hilarious, do you have proof?

Yes many families were harmed in the recent Paris attacks. Could have been your family or mine.

Yes black people hurt people at an alarming rate in the USA-while you UK liberals talk about "protests"

No the USA didn't "steal" anything from the American Indians- it's called Battle-Britian should know the term if you want to ask an official there.

Currently there's really minimal "racism" in the USA.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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anti-white attitude...LOL.

this conversation is over. but let me hear you out at least.

concurrently, there is minimal racism, that's is practised legally, but then also is supported by on-the-fence white race supporters, whom support their "right" to be racist, and simply don't open up about it.

YES, the US did STEAL the land from the Indians. there was no treaty. there was war.

no, black people do not hurt people at an alarming rate, they have black-on-black crime at an alarming rate. if you're gonna parrot bullshit, at least use that bullshit in the right context.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

yes, many people in Paris were harmed and killed, what was the point of bringing that up? for me to redirect you to the whole-sale slaughter of Indians and Mexicans during the 1800s?

and you're a liberal, because you're a republican.

i'm a liberal conservative too...only i'm not a republican. thank god. i don't need someone to vouch for my own individual freedoms, i just have them...whoo.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
concurrently, there is minimal racism, that's is practised legally, but then also is supported by on-the-fence white race supporters, whom support their "right" to be racist, and simply don't open up about it.

YES, the US did STEAL the land from the Indians. there was no treaty. there was war.

no, black people do not hurt people at an alarming rate, they have black-on-black crime at an alarming rate. if you're gonna parrot bullshit, at least use that bullshit in the right context.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

yes, many people in Paris were harmed and killed, what was the point of bringing that up? for me to redirect you to the whole-sale slaughter of Indians and Mexicans during the 1800s?

and you're a liberal, because you're a republican.

i'm a liberal conservative too...only i'm not a republican. thank god. i don't need someone to vouch for my own individual freedoms, i just have them...whoo.



You vote against your "freedoms" - look at the gun ban in the UK. Fucking morons live in the UK.

No, liberal, the USA FOUGHT for this land and took it by force, by defeating the Indian armies- Yes Briton should know all about it but you don't care about history.

Yes 90% of interracial crime is black on white (in the USA) or did you not know that statistic, too naïve?


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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LOL, you believe the horrible propaganda 90% (oh first it was 80% but now it's 90% according to this guy) of black people kill whites, even though i just gave you the statistics proving that abhorrently wrong.

the USA did fight for it, under the guise of Manifest Destiny, a rather British invention, if i do say so myself, and then under that guise, decided that morally, the Christian settlers didn't have to kow-tow to their sensibilities, and any moral, provided by God, of course; and they just went to a land to ESCAPE TAILS BETWEEN LEGS from the British, and then thought "hmmm, i don't belong here, but i think i'll just take it". this was before are common sense laws nowadays of not committing war crimes...so yeah, we did steal it, by today's understanding of world politics. we stole it and you are proud, and you'd gladly repeat the process, which is why sensible people are so worried about you liberal crazies.

also, i'm an advocate for open carry laws, and am not in the UK, so you didn't quite succeed in portraying accurate information there, either.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
LOL, you believe the horrible propaganda 90% (oh first it was 80% but now it's 90% according to this guy) of black people kill whites, even though i just gave you the statistics proving that abhorrently wrong.

the USA did fight for it, under the guise of Manifest Destiny, a rather British invention, if i do say so myself, and then under that guise, decided that morally, the Christian settlers didn't have to kow-tow to their sensibilities, and any moral, provided by God, of course; and they just went to a land to ESCAPE TAILS BETWEEN LEGS from the British, and then thought "hmmm, i don't belong here, but i think i'll just take it". this was before are common sense laws nowadays of not committing war crimes...so yeah, we did steal it, by today's understanding of world politics. we stole it and you are proud, and you'd gladly repeat the process, which is why sensible people are so worried about you liberal crazies.

also, i'm an advocate for open carry laws, and am not in the UK, so you didn't quite succeed in portraying accurate information there, either.



Here you go, naïve one:


Hehe, America kicked Britan's asshole over and over and you whine. Poor guy. America also kicked the fuck out of the Indians in teepees; the British people resent any victories that the USA had in the past- Now we're supposed to be allies but you fuckers are killing the white race.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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LOL, ok, i'm not British. but whatever, son.

and if American's are concerned with freedom, and with the perspective that thy didn't steal but "won" the land from the Indians, then you're a hypocrite if you insist that BLM can't protest...or that they shouldn't...or that they should screen their ranks for potential activists that might do something drastic, because they are the most likely candidates for progressive tactics, just like you constitutionalists did to the rally over in Minneapolis, trying to instigate the crowd. if you're allowed to do whatever works, Hoss, then you can't bitch and bemoan someone using what you proclaim is a viable tactic. even though it's all horribly unjustified, and only damages the instance of political freedoms, and the 1st amendment rights, being jostled, only further enrages both parties into wanting to start a war. very unethical. very republican. very liberal of you.

your bugaboo might be that you're so liberal, you can't even see it. you're a Trump supporter to, aren't ya? :wink:

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
LOL, ok, i'm not British. but whatever, son.

and if American's are concerned with freedom, and with the perspective that thy didn't steal but "won" the land from the Indians, then you're a hypocrite if you insist that BLM can't protest...or that they shouldn't...or that they should screen their ranks for potential activists that might do something drastic, because they are the most likely candidates for progressive tactics, just like you constitutionalists did to the rally over in Minneapolis, trying to instigate the crowd. if you're allowed to do whatever works, Hoss, then you can't bitch and bemoan someone using what you proclaim is a viable tactic. even though it's all horribly unjustified, and only damages the instance of political freedoms, and the 1st amendment rights, being jostled, only further enrages both parties into wanting to start a war. very unethical. very republican. very liberal of you.

your bugaboo might be that you're so liberal, you can't even see it. you're a Trump supporter to, aren't ya? :wink:



Son? I could be your father. You may not be British but you have the attitude of one.

Nobody is a hypocrite for criticizing BLM- yes BLM shouldn't push media away and attack Free Speech. Fuck those BLM fucking retard morons and if you disagree then FUCK you too. That's called Free speech.

"Racism" is miniscule or doesn't even exist in this country, and you can bring up the Indians if you want-I'll fucking own every debate if you do so, which I have.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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no, you haven't.

and you're not a hypocrite for critizing BLM, i do it too...i just did it...but then again, you are a hypocrite for enforcing (or supporting, like so many do) the same tactics they do, by pushing media away and denying the facts about what you're actually pushing for by verbally attacking BLM for doing what the constitution insists that they do. :shrug:

and BTW if there was a white protest involving the deaths of whites...there'd be the same proclivity for riots. see Atlanta race riot, for one out of many examples.

you're simply trying to enforce racist and undemocratic and unconstitutional rhetoric and actions, while trying to perpetuate the loss of the pieces of the constitution that you "are fighting to protect" (and who knows at what length), the pieces of which you agree with; even though the constitution is fine, and progress as a society is still being made, albeit slowly, with all the in-fighting and political nonchalance, and carte blanche, that several opposition adhere to to try and get THEIR WAY, and American on the fast track to THEIR WAY of life, and not an American one.

you liberals.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
and BTW if there was a white protest involving the deaths of whites...there'd be the same proclivity for riots. see Atlanta race riot, for one out of many examples.

you're simply trying to enforce racist and undemocratic and unconstitutional rhetoric and actions, while trying to perpetuate the loss of the pieces of the constitution that you "are fighting to protect" (and who knows at what length), the pieces of which you agree with; even though the constitution is fine, and progress as a society is still being made, albeit slowly, with all the in-fighting and political nonchalance, and carte blanche, that several opposition adhere to to try and get THEIR WAY, and American on the fast track to THEIR WAY of life, and not an American one.

you liberals.



Uhhh.. self hating white person.... there are MORE WHITES killed by police than blacks in this country, or did you not know that? There have been ZERO white riots but there have been DOZENS of black riots. Look it up.

I'll say it again, unless you have evidence (which you don't):
"Racism" is miniscule or doesn't even exist in this country. Look at Obowelmovement, Look at Oprah (Richest Woman on Earth).. You're pathetic if you think Racism is even a factor.

Fucking Crybullies.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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burgerbrain said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
crime rates have gone done.  So what's your explanation for the drop???



There are many reasons people are less violent statistically, one has to do with more guns. Or do you want to stick to your idea that more poverty is more violent crime? HAHAHA, liberals. :lolsy:



I can't wait to see your evidence that poor people don't commit more crime.  :popcorn:

burgerbrain said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
It's clear you don't even have a college degree, so stick with your ad hominem attacks; it's the one thing you're good at.



All I get from you is ad-hominem, ad-hominem boy. I'll bet you post some more ad-hominem



Since you don't have a college degree, it's not an ad hominem attack.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
burgerbrain said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
crime rates have gone done.  So what's your explanation for the drop???



There are many reasons people are less violent statistically, one has to do with more guns. Or do you want to stick to your idea that more poverty is more violent crime? HAHAHA, liberals. :lolsy:



I can't wait to see your evidence that poor people don't commit more crime.  :popcorn:

burgerbrain said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
It's clear you don't even have a college degree, so stick with your ad hominem attacks; it's the one thing you're good at.



All I get from you is ad-hominem, ad-hominem boy. I'll bet you post some more ad-hominem



Since you don't have a college degree, it's not an ad hominem attack.



"Derp derp college degree derka attack derka derka ad-hominem derp"

Of course I'm more educated than you are, Fal.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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more whites, indeed.

you remember that study??? it showed how...

of course when a police officer approaches a black suspect, they aren't going to shoot right away, cause that's instantaneous bad publicity, so they'll wait until he turns or jerks the wrong way, and say "he had a weapon, so i shot".

but when an officer approaches a WHITE guy, he aims faster and shoots quicker because of the LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY he has to the murder of a white person.

PS: logic isn't always obvious, but you can tout your position all you want, you aren't saying anything new, however.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
of course when a police officer approaches a black suspect, they aren't going to shoot right away, cause that's instantaneous bad publicity, so they'll wait until he turns or jerks the wrong way, and say "he had a weapon, so i shot".

but when an officer approaches a WHITE guy, he aims faster and shoots quicker because of the LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY he has to the murder of a white person.





LOL do you have a link or just more liberal drivel? HAHAHAH Hilarious. MORE Whites are killed by police each year, liberal Bernie voter.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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i have logic. no source but my own, and i looked at the study, and found an incredible bias, that no one reported on, that i know of.

the fact is: of course people in a study like this will be apt to preform, as an officer of the law, as best as they can...and they will, if informed of the consequences, act nicer to both instances of racial categorization...but if not informed, which they weren't, they'll still see the data they are aiming to study, in regards to "which race is profiled" the most, by seeing that blacks are held to a higher standard in being handled correctly by way of procedure, while being viewed by on-lookers; all while the "profiling" of the whites are looked-on as being proportionally against the stereotype, all at once.

biased.

but it helps me, sadly, a person who cannot conduct his own study, but, with logic, i can explain my conclusions directly. i'm sure some more open minded people will agree with me when i say, the bias is clear in the study; and as per my previous post, that you've quoted, the same bias is revealed in how police profile people, in actuality, based on the political climate, and given the rate at which crimes by police are being reported on and video taped, as evidence.

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
i have logic. no source but my own, and i looked at the study, and found an incredible bias, that no one reported on, that i know of.

the fact is: of course people in a study like this will be apt to preform, as an officer of the law, as best as they can...and they will, if informed of the consequences, act nicer to both instances of racial categorization...but if not informed, which they weren't, they'll still see the data they are aiming to study, in regards to "which race is profiled" the most, by seeing that blacks are held to a higher standard in being handled correctly by way of procedure, while being viewed by on-lookers; all while the "profiling" of the whites are looked-on as being proportionally against the stereotype, all at once.

biased.

but it helps me, sadly, a person who cannot conduct his own study, but, with logic, i can explain my conclusions directly. i'm sure some more open minded people will agree with me when i say, the bias is clear in the study; and as per my previous post, that you've quoted, the same bias is revealed in how police profile people, in actuality, based on the political climate, and given the rate at which crimes by police are being reported on and video taped, as evidence.



You have no logic. As I said:

MORE Whites are killed by police each year than Blacks, liberal Bernie voter.


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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and i've given you the stats, that say that isn't true.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

here you go again.

you have zero logic. hopefully this can turn into a debate about that, that'd be more fun, certainly. :lol:

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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
and i've given you the stats, that say that isn't true.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls

here you go again.

you have zero logic. hopefully this can turn into a debate about that, that'd be more fun, certainly. :lol:




Dude you posted a link to "Expanded Homicide Data Table 6 - Murder " how does this show that blacks are killed more than whites by police? The link doesn't talk about police homicide... AHHAHAAHAHAHA

:lolsy:

Fuck I'm arguing with a liberal 99%er... wtf.

Yes you have ZERO logic. Nite, Anti-logic


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Re: Trump tells BLM's Protester to get the hell out [Re: burgerbrain]
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are you insane? i think i've been about burgerbrained out.

that isn't police homicide stats...correct...but...WTF are you babbling about anyways? those are stats that show the proportion of committal of homocide between blacks against whites and vice versa.

Race of victim: White total: 3,005 / Race of offender White: 2,509 -- as in 2,509 people were killed by whites in 2013, in comparison to the 406 that were killed by Blacks -- let's look more into this disparity...

Race of victim: Black total: 2,491 / Race of offender White: 189 -- to the disproportionate 2,245 blacks killed by blacks.

you say whites are killed more by blacks, but obviously ^ that isn't fucking true, in fact, it's the opposite.

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide

"Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 51.7 percent were black, 45.7 percent were white"

^ there goes your stupid bullshit, out the window.

black people kill more black people, and whites kill more whites...oh and BTW, in A HIGHER PROPORTION than in black on black homocide.

:smirk:

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