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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: ivander]
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ivander said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Is it because they know the answer will make their position untenable?


You think all believers are same? Do you think all of them care about this thing called position.



They may not but the ones who post here seem to and they are the ones we are dealing with.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
As Swami, I issued over 40 $10,000 Challenges based upon the exact wording of claimants of weird stuff on this forum.

I can spin stuff with my mind.

I can knock you over without touching you.

I can visit your house astrally.

:blah:

Not one took the next step except for Shroomism who reneged (yet claims to be an honest person), and still rambles to this day about about wacky shit, just not on this forum.

On every single astrology thread, I ask for its basis and never receive any sort of real answer.

Why was I barred for 28 years from M&P for challenging the UFO buffs there with basic logic and no forum rule violation? Because of fear that their fantasy house of cards would crumble. All I did was answer a direct question.




Sounds like you've got nothing but one recorded instance.  How can I back you up on this when you don't show me any concrete statistical data?  Where are the facts? :sherlock:

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Think I am making this up? Read my last post as OC on M&P. I would link, but I am not allowed to search there.


Providing sources is the responsibility of the claimant.  :tongue2:

But seriously, I think you like to go out of your way to disprove these people's strongly held beliefs. 

It sounds to me like you just like to shit on their day. :shitstorm:


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Let that which doesn't matter truly not matter.

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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But seriously, I think you like to go out of your way to disprove these people's strongly held beliefs.

It sounds to me like you just like to shit on their day. :shitstorm:


You say it like there's something wrong with that.:confused:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: Icelander]
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I suppose there isn't anything wrong with it, per se.  Maybe instead of "you just like to shit on people's day" , I should say: "you just like to prove yourself right at the expense of others' peace of mind."

What right does anybody have to disturb the peace?  :hippie:


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Let that which doesn't matter truly not matter.

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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How can I disturb another's peace of mind without their willing it? Are my words forcing them to feel this or that? Or are they choosing their behaviors and feelings?

I'm just doin ma thang.:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Is it because they know the answer will make their position untenable?


What is a "believer" and what are these "questions"?

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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faith

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: Icelander]
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I suppose that you have me there.  It is true that nobody forces another person to do a damned thing.  And most times we choose to play the victims of those who are doing nothing more than speaking their mind.

But it still seems wrong in some sense to deliberately stir up trouble.  For me anyway.  When it comes down to it, OC is his own boss, and I shouldn't apply my moral rubric to his behavior.  Lately I've been learning a lot about what morality is and isn't.

I wouldn't agree that a person chooses their feelings.  Or most don't anyway.  While we can have some control over future responses/behaviors/feelings via conditioning (mediation or whatever), the present moment usually runs on auto pilot based on past conditioning.  Otherwise, our actions will be premeditated all the time and nothing could ever be done due to being stuck in a permanent reflective state.



Psychoanalytical aside:

I love how you use the satan smiley as your "smoking gun."

You place it after you've felt that you've got the issue by the horns.  It's funny; I've noticed a few people that emulate you.


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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions?


It cast their beliefs into the possibility of doubt, which they otherwise thinks is impossible beyond a reasonable doubt.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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But it still seems wrong in some sense to deliberately stir up trouble.  For me anyway.  When it comes down to it, OC is his own boss, and I shouldn't apply my moral rubric to his behavior.  Lately I've been learning a lot about what morality is and isn't.


Look man, who cares why OC does what he does. He provides a valuable service imo. He educates. He points out possible weakness in peoples pov. So unless you like people the way they are education is important. And education isn't sitting in a chair trying to get the info needed to past the test so you can forget about it asap. Education is a painful process which brings one into conflict with cherished beliefs.

So I'd say if you are concerned about ethics and motives then worry about your own cause it's really hard sometimes to know everything about someone else's. It's usually a mix of things and not just one.

Yes, you are correct, many are not self aware enough to know what is going on in their emotional landscape. They just react according to pattern almost all the time. But really, there's nothing to be done about it but hit em with a hammer and see if anyone's home. And OC does that.

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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To the title:

Because they can't.

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: Icelander]
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I like it. Orgone "the Hammer" Conclusion

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
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Sounds like you've got nothing but one recorded instance.

I dunno about OC, but this scenario of a mystic-head refusing to answer questions when they realize the question will paint them into a logical corner is such a common occurrence here that I'm surprised you guys need examples.

I just did a quick search for posts where I say "please answer my question" and got back hundreds of hits. In almost every case I ask over and over for an answer to a simple question and get zilch back.

Here are a few at random. :shrug:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4233353#4233353

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5457769#5457769

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5510457#5510457

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7849022#7849022

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3965682#3965682


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Quote:
As Swami, I issued over 40 $10,000 Challenges based upon the exact wording of claimants of weird stuff on this forum.

I can spin stuff with my mind.

I can knock you over without touching you.

I can visit your house astrally.

:blah:

Not one took the next step except for Shroomism who reneged


are you serious ?
i've never seen this offer before..

if i can visit you astrally.. you'll give me 10.000 dollars ?

how would we go about doing this ?
i mean..
if i fuck around with this i want to be sure that i get my money.

and..
i would need you to give me some information.
i would want to know what you look like for example..

you willing to do that ?

do you really want to lose your money like that ?

think about it..

its a lot of money..


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: jivJaN]
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:laugh:

damn..
im already thinking about what im gonna do with that cash.

u will give it to me in cash right ?

hahahahahah

ill even spend some of it to send you a basket with some chocolates
:lol:

i feel like i just got the golden ticket on american idol

:rofl2:

im fuckin goin to hollywood !


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: jivJaN]
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meds


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: jivJaN]
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oh yes..
we will also have to agree that you dont get any cops involved.

i have a feeling you might think that i am literally spying on you.
you got really paranoid when lunar was messin with you..


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: Icelander]
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Quote:
meds


nub

you wanna lose some money too ?


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: jivJaN]
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You would have to put some up too. Just in case you can't.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why do believers generally avoid answering simple questions? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
meds


most meds Work.  Pharmaceutical companies may be fucking everyone financially, however drugs fucking work.  It's why people take them.  I like how people get all :tinfoil: and think nothing ever works and its evil.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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