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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: ]
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Smoke a bowl and go outside..... ooooooh... trees... pretty
now you're talkin'... the moon is pretty too

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: ]
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Shroomism thinks ...
See Swami quote # 1.

...this thread is like the War on Drugs
One side is just trying to chill and smoke a doobie and the other side is telling them that their drugs are only hurting themselves and others. If they go crazy and imprison others because of their beliefs than that is their problem. As long as you attack their beliefs and way of thinking, they will defend.

Smoke a bowl and go outside..... ooooooh... trees... pretty
I would, but no one stands up to the crazed WOD believers who are shoving their beliefs down my throat.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: Swami]
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Sometimes I am afraid to take a stand. I am afraid of two things: 1. deluding myself 2. harming others because of my delusion.
It seems very possible that the "Maryists" are deluding themselves, and are causing harm to others because of it. I do not wish to add to whatever strife exists by telling them they are ingnorant or superstitious. Deep down inside I agree with you, that it is bullshit, but this view is based on nothing, and is therefore meaningless.Therefore for me to say so would only add negatively to the situation.

I do not think that not believing nor disbelieving is wishy-washy at all. As I mentioned elsewhere, we feel compelled to take a stance on everything, seemingly at the risk that the worldview which we base our selves on is incomplete. I do not think it's necessary. There is a phrase in Buddhism about the middle path. (or see evolvings whately quote)

This is not to say that I condemn social change, or holding an opinion. I just think that both of those thing are very very sensitive issues, although we often do not treat them as such. To be honest, when it comes to christianity, i am not only inexperienced but also uneducated, so I feel like trying to take a stand would be a folly. I think you would agree with me here. For now, all I have is this reaction that those Maryists were wrong - were making something out of nothing. But until I have experience of the situation, to throw my opinion into the mix would be "ludicrous and very dangerous." Or, at very least, unproductive.


Peace.

Edited by JPAtanat (05/03/02 12:02 AM)

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: JPAtanat]
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Fair enough response, especially the part about judging or acting from one's own delusion.

The way that I attempt to look at a phenomenon is to ask myself how would someone who had no personal or cultural filters or history, view it. In the case of the Marian Appearance, those unfamiliar with other such appearances (by which to judge or compare) or Christianity, would NEVER come to such a conclusion. Not one person in 6 billion!

To me, a valid interpretation should stand outside of these biases. An example from my past, was the time that I experienced sleep paralysis. I was frightened and did not know what was going on. So I quickly searched my memory for a point of reference and came up with the idea that there was a ghost in my room. All I had was a feeling of dread and interpolated that into being the spirit of a dead person. This is an amazing hyper-jump of reason. One that in later reflection, I concluded to be an erroneous assumption.

I have seen a mysterious light in the sky and my conclusion is: that I have seen a light in the sky that I was unable to identify. That is all. No more can be said. To conclude anything about it's occupants, purpose or point of origin is ludicrous.

To rephrase one more time, I believe the facts should speak for themselves. I welcome anyone to show me the weakness of this approach.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: Swami]
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I totally agree. However, the problem is that it is often very hard to see our own social-cultural biases. I have chosen meditation as a way to cut through that delusion. I have not even been meditating for a year, but already it has given me some insights, and thus a certain level of trust in the practice. But of course the main insight it has given me is my own ignorance. So I find myself more reluctant to take hard and fast stances.
But anyway, yes, i agree with everything you said.


Peace.

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: JPAtanat]
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Beautiful.. a harmonious interaction between two polar opposites... such progress
:single tear rolls down shroomism's cheek

Heh

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: ]
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We are (probably) all multi-dimensional. The polar opposition you speak of is really just between certain facets of each individual's being, not the total person.

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: ]
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The Virgin Mary works miracles...

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Re: Virgin Mary sighting [Re: ]
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Well how far has it gotten you so far? How many people have you converted?

I wouldn't say converted.. more like INFORMED. I've gotten to at least a dozen or so people (really gotten to them). They'll never think the same again (that's the plan anyways). How many held onto their bullshit? A few more, but I have about a 40% success rate. But the failures are still better off than they were... they just didn't pull through all the way (maybe they will later).

Yet I see many of the 'rational thinkers' shoving their brand of logic down our throats.
There's only one "brand" of logic. The rest are cheap imitations from Kmart.

We are all fucking equal.
No one is completely right

I'm pretty sure it was me who posted that thread on fallibilism awhile back ("heteroabsolutism").

a harmonious interaction between two polar opposites...

We're not really that opposite. It's a false dichotomy.
Like evolving said "The polar opposition you speak of is really just between certain facets of each individual's being, not the total person."


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Note: In desperate need of a cure...

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