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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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A simple question!
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Where is my soul when my body is unconcious, shouldn't It percieve that my body is unconcious?

And I don't mean unconsious, like sleeping, I'm talking about general anesthetic and such.

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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I guess you've proven that "souls" don't exist. Good for you.


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"If you had a million years to do it in, you couldn't rub out even half the 'Fuck you' signs in the world."- J. D. Salinger

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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Quote:
Where is my soul when my body is unconcious




How do you know it hasn't merged with other things(say all things)?? He didn't prove we have no souls. Did the psyhedelic experience mean nothing to you?


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And the gameshow host rings the buzzer (brrnnntt) oh and now you get a face full of face!

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Re: A simple question! [Re: johnnyfive]
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I'm not trying to prove anything, just trying to understand how people that believe in souls would explain it.

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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i think it depends on where your soul (which is actually your true self) wants to go... you could be travelling in other dimensions, on other planets, connecting with other people, dealing with the stuff you have experienced, or maybe even just stick with the body until your consciousness returns..


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Re: A simple question! [Re: In(di)go]
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have you ever seen that simpsons where bart sells his soul to milhouse? well in it, he proposses in a dream that your soul is like your best friend and when you fall asleep you get to play with your soul. so maybe when we fall asleep our soul takes us to its reality and shows us around.

i guess that makes it a real shame that it has to stick around during the day to our boring lives.


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We have to answer our own prayers

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Re: A simple question! [Re: recalcitrant]
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i think it depends on where your soul (which is actually your true self) wants to go... you could be travelling in other dimensions, on other planets, connecting with other people, dealing with the stuff you have experienced, or maybe even just stick with the body until your consciousness returns
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If my soul is my true self, and I am my true self, then why don't I know anything about this?

Edited by Kaneda (02/05/03 10:19 AM)

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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Soul schmoll. Soul for me represents that part of us which connects to the group conciousness as opposed to our "ego" which is the, more than likely, false construct of individualtiy. Do I have anymore individuality than a red blood cell in my body? Do I have any more REAL freewill than self same red blood cell in my body?

Micorcosm - Macrocosm.

PEACE


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Always Smi2le

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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Maybe a soul can become unconscious for a little while too. Read the Bhagavad-Gita, it talks about a personal soul that is different in each individual being, and "super-soul" that connects all living creatures together-call it the spark of life if you will- its all the same. Maybe the personal soul goes under with the body, while the spark that keeps you alive just keeps doin' its own thing.


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"The only unchangeable certainty is that nothing is certain and everything is changeable."

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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because of your ego... you forget, and become what society tells you you are (your ego)... besides... what would be the fun if you KNEW that you are an immortal beeing of light, that cannot be touched by evil, that has no needs and no sorrow and that is completely made out of love and compassion?


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Re: A simple question! [Re: In(di)go]
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are you kidding? i think that would change a lot!


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We have to answer our own prayers

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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I thought 'soul' was just a fancy word for 'sentient'? Why go further?


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focusing
Flow
The Enneagram

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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I think there is only 1 soul.  It is within us all and around us all.  It is all that is.


And you will come to find, that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable :grin: 


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Without everything wouldn't nothing be everything and without nothing wouldn't everything be nothing.I am the beginning and the end,the source and the void, the light and the darkness,i am but a small drop of the ocean yet i am an ocean unto myself

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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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Every so-called "religion" offers a unique path to Assouldom. It works
like this: the devotees are provided a belief system by which they can
reconnect to their soul, and reinterpret their beliefs and actions.
Sadly, this fails more often than not, for the ones who seek this out
tend to be Assouls.
Assoul -- etymology "A-", greek, without, lacking and "-soul", english,
the transcendental component of the mind, with an extra 's' for ellision
and homophony with "asshole", english, self-centered, self-absorbed creep.
Christian Assouls, for instance, choose a life of microwaved agape and
phony fellowship, committing and repenting the same sins, over and over
again, without the will or desire to understand WHY they sin, dragging
others into their "personal relationship" with that Jesus-voice in their
heads.
Scientologist Assouls get the Triple-D Trifecta -- "Dependent",
"Destitute", and "Delusional". Secular Assouls erroneously deduce the
behavior of individuals from statistically measurable characteristics of
aggregates.
The common theme here -- instead of reconnecting with That Which Cannot
Be Spoken Of Because It's The One Doing The Talking, Assouls ignore
their souls, and the souls of others, to reconnect themselves with Some
Voice In Their Head.
The SubGenius Assoul is a special case. The freedom to dissemble and
hide one's true nature from the unworthy, to fail, and to make excuses,
gets perverted into a polymorphic palimpset of posturing, fueled by
facile hate and self-pity.
The SubGenius Assoul is no longer capable of honest communication,
because their One True Soul is watching the Universe like a porno video,
wishing they had a remote control to fast-foward to the fuck scenes.
They expend huge effort to maintain an ever-changing facade of
superficially held opinions, not because they actually believe in
anything they are saying, but to make the Universe react to them, to let
them know they still "exist".
The single wisest statement in the Book Of The SubGenius is:
"If you're an ASSHOLE, a whining creep who HATES EVERYBODY yet DEMANDS
ATTENTION, then FORGET IT."
I gave a bit of MY BRAIN to "Bob". I GAVE UP feeling sorry for myself, I
GAVE UP sitting around, *hoping* things would get better. I GAVE IT UP.
I *got off my ass* and STARTED *LIVING*!
Even if "Bob" couldn't deliver on the Escape Saucers and Sex Goddesses,
*all* of the other seemingly absurd promises in Pamphlet #1 have *come
through* for me. I *have intercourse with a beautiful live girl*
whenever I want! I *'tenlike*! I cast *out* the False Prophets, yea, I
*HAVE SLACK*!
Did "Bob" help me? HELL NO! But he showed me those CRUCIAL FIRST STEPS
to take once I *got* off my ass and stopped feeling sorry for myself.
I BOUGHT IT, and "BOB" DELIVERED!


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Note: In desperate need of a cure...

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Re: A simple question! [Re: recalcitrant]
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exactly! thats the reason we forget... to re-member... and to re-experience the joy of beeing one with everything


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Re: A simple question! [Re: Kaneda]
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According to Non-Dualist, Advaita Indian thought, espoused by Sri Ramana Maharishi, the 'Jivatma,' or 'embodied soul' that receives impressions from the senses and mind, withdraws to its 'point of origin' in the Heart Center. This is the Hridayam or Heart Cave - Sacred Heart - not the Heart Chakra in the Astral Body.

Similarly, Vajrayana (Tibetan) Buddhism considers the Heart Center to be the 'seat of mind,' not the Brain Center. The 'red and white drops' which move on the 'inner winds' originate in the Heart Center. At death, one is trained to withdraw them to the Heart, then with concentration, merge them and move them up the Sacred Channel through the Crown of the head. This is symbolic language for psychospiritual processes and experiences.

Sri Ramana used to point out how the heart muscle continues to beat the rhythm of Life while one sleeps, though one's head nods with eyes closed. He would also quote the Psalmist: "I sleep, yet my heart waketh."


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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