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the reason i said those things is that i still don't know what atoms are made of.
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then the origin of god is god itself
I think the origin of the nihilistic universe is itself.
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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Quote:
AlteredAgain said:
Took the words right out of my mouth
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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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 Re: Reconnecting Opposites  [Re: Diploid]
#6116993 - 09/29/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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You seemed to imply it by stating that the universe exists by other than
chance. What did you mean by 'not chance'?
As in, science fails to explain how time-space conjugates itself.
It means something metaphysical to me. Something that is not in
evidence, cannot be objectively seen or measured or experienced. What does
it mean to you?
Give me an example of something that is "objectively verified" and demonstrate how your own apprehension of this objectivity isn't originating from your own subjective experience.
If you say that the universe must have a deliberate creator, then I say the
creator must have a deliberate creator, using your own reasoning. Unless I
misunderstand you when you say the universe is not a chance occurrence.
Being, as it would, collects and accumulates. Like water and light, it has final precession. Eventually one is left with oceans and suns. Likewise, oceans do not beget other oceans - rather, rivers and inlet lakes and related bodies of waters. This is the principle of metaphysics; what precedes physics, ultimately.
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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
Edited by Basilides (09/29/06 11:14 PM)
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Re: Reconnecting Opposites [Re: Basilides]
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Quote:
Basilides said:
Being, as it would, collects and accumalates. Like water and light, it has final precession. Eventually one is left with oceans and suns. Likewise, ocean's do not beget other oceans - rather, rivers and inlet lakes and related bodies of waters. This is the principle of metaphysics; what precedes physics, ultimately.
Interesting response. Very expressive. 
   
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Re: Reconnecting Opposites [Re: Basilides]
#6117901 - 09/30/06 06:50 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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As in, science fails to explain how time-space conjugates itself.
So, since science can't explain it (at the moment) it must be magic. They
used to say that since science couldn't explain rain, it must be the tears
of angels.  Science will eventually explain it, if history is any
indication.
Give me an example of something that is "objectively verified"
C'mon, now you're picking nits.
Nothing can be objectively known, but it's absurd to suggest that air
doesn't exist because, strictly speaking, I can't objectively know it
does. It's equally absurd to suggest that everything unseen does exist
because it might.
What makes sense is to live in the here and now and move forward as if
things that can be apparently seen and measured really do exist, and
those things that cannot be seen or measured do not.
This is the principle of metaphysics; what precedes physics, ultimately.
From where I sit, the principles of metaphysics are to make up pretty
much whatever you want while your peers also make up pretty much whatever
they want, often conflicting with what you and others made up, then call
all of it reality. Nevermind that none of these made up things has ever
been seen, photographed, detected or measured in any way.
So sure, Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, and dancing pink elephants in tutus
who all are metaphysical and so beyond material detection MIGHT exist, but
I don't waste myself on such things.
The 'real' world is far too beautiful on its own to need embellishment
with made up things.
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Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Reconnecting Opposites [Re: Diploid]
#6118139 - 09/30/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 2 months ago) |
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They
used to say that since science couldn't explain rain, it must be the tears
of angels.
No, they didn't. Even before the age of science people could see that it only rained when the clouds were dark and heavy.
Nothing can be objectively known, but it's absurd to suggest that air
doesn't exist because, strictly speaking, I can't objectively know it
does.
I don't know about you, but I know air exists because I breathe it. I also know that air is sustaining from simply holding my breath.
From where I sit, the principles of metaphysics are to make up pretty
much whatever you want while your peers also make up pretty much whatever
they want, often conflicting with what you and others made up, then call
all of it reality
I take it you've never explored metaphysics as an expansive philosophy if the word myopically reminds you of Santa Clause and pink elephants. Metaphysics as a philosophy pertain to what is prior to physics as a whole or wholeness (essential backdrop), not psychological remnants of imaginated physical phenomena which you mistakingly confuse as being 'metaphysical'. If this is the case, you do not even grok the textbook meaning of the philosophy itself.
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You were right, rgv, I loved the photos, and the concept gave me goosebumps. 
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i enjoyed it, almost as much as the Simpson's sofa gag version!
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