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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
Why do i have to have the same definitions for words then you do? What is wrong with having not exactly the same meanings for concepts?


You can have any definition for any word you wish, and there isn't anything wrong with not having the exact same meaning for similar concepts.
In the same time, however, it is entirely purposeless to tell someone that is referring to ownership that they don't really have ownership because you personally define ownership differently.
In order to debate whether or not they have the ownership that they allege to have, it is necessary to utilize the definition of the concept that they themselves are utilizing in their allegation.
Capisci? :grin:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
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Ahimsa said:
Because in that case, you are not you, you are them!


I am always me.


Ofcourse you are always you, but the you that you are may be very much the same like any other 'you' if you do not re?ent the meaning of words for yourself.

Why would I have to reinvent the meanings of the words that I know/use if I can communicate fine with other humans? :what:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: My life without god [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Ahimsa said:
Why do i have to have the same definitions for words then you do? What is wrong with having not exactly the same meanings for concepts?


You can have any definition for any word you wish, and there isn't anything wrong with not having the exact same meaning for similar concepts.
In the same time, however, it is entirely purposeless to tell someone that is referring to ownership that they don't really have ownership because you personally define ownership differently.
In order to debate whether or not they have the ownership that they allege to have, it is necessary to utilize the definition of the concept that they themselves are utilizing in their allegation.
Capisci? :grin:


Ok, so next time we'll agree on the meaning and by then probably we'll have solved the problem as well. deal!

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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Ahimsa said:
Quote:
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Ahimsa said:
Because in that case, you are not you, you are them!


I am always me.


Ofcourse you are always you, but the you that you are may be very much the same like any other 'you' if you do not re?ent the meaning of words for yourself.

Why would I have to reinvent the meanings of the words that I know/use if I can communicate fine with other humans? :what:


You don't have to, but for a while it confused me so much to not be able to use 'my' meanings, that eventually i had to rediscover them all again for myself. Now i'm free!

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Good for you! :superkitty:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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It's not the size of the cat but the size of the fight in the cat!

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Probably.



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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: My life without god [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
One of the things I like to pay attention to, in the people I meet, is how their personality is influenced by the idea of god, thinking that this aspect has a surprisingly high influence on everyone, even on those who seem to be the least preoccupied with the matter.
I was curious what everyone's experiences here on the Shroomery are regarding god, but first I'll share mine.

I was raised by a mother who has always been very religious, fanatic I might even say, up to the point of utter irrationality.
As a kid, most of my questions were answered with "that's how god made things to be", "this will only happen if god wants", as well as other variations on the same theme. Along with all these beliefs of hers came the messianic complex, doubled by a highly addictive and weak personality.
My first childhood was deeply impressed by this god image, and I remember experiencing high feelings of anxiety thinking that I was trapped in a situation where someone else was supposed to make all the decisions for me, that if I chose to do something all by myself I would be punished, and that there was always someone watching every move I made, reading all my thoughts.  :ashamed: I even remember reaching a point where I was seriously considering killing myself because I didn't see any purpose in living a life where I wasn't the one to decide how my life should be, without having some super-being breathing on my back with a big no-no on his face. Then of course, I had all those stages of trying to make something more pleasant out of god, and somewhere on this path I started questioning myself and the reasons for which I needed that change.
Eventually, I ended up believing that, besides the stories told by person X and Y about the existence of a god, there was NOTHING in the outside, objective world that could point out to the existence of a higher being that had power of decision on my life, and all of the sudden my anxieties were gone and being replaced by an incredible feeling of internal peace and bliss. To me, the thought that I really didn't owe my life to anyone else but me was the most anxiety-releasing catalysts, the one that finally allowed me to start living my life and enjoying it like there was no tomorrow. :heart:


Sounds to me like you decided to believe in yourself, instead of God.  And in a way, that decision gave you what my decision to believe in God gave me.  I feel the same way as you do.

I do not believe in an angry God.  I believe in root consciousness, whose choice was to choose to be whatever is. 

And through me, it is what it wants to be, because I am choosing to be whomever/whatever the fuck I want to be.


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Flowing through beginningless time since time without beginning...

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ginseng1]
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Are any of your beliefs regarding "God" supported by evidence of some sort? :strokebeard:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ginseng1]
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It sounds like you decided to believe yourself, not god.

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Re: My life without god [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Some people might think that when you found out you only owed your life to yourself, you found God. :strokebeard:

However you want to describe it, and whatever words you use, good on you for finding peace and bliss... I'm pretty sure that's the whole point.

:grin:


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:bliss:

It's the same thing.

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Re: My life without god [Re: yelyarb]
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My life without God has allowed me to discover/experience something altogether that is not in disagreement with the term at all, however the accepted definitions are troublesome to me.  And the realization that most are operating under an outdated acceptance of the defined terminology is a source of conflict.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Are any of your beliefs regarding "God" supported by evidence of some sort? :strokebeard:


no and there's no evidence against god either so just stop it with this question. we both know that proving the existence or non-existence of god is not possible.


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Re: My life without god [Re: learningtofly]
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We also need to tell this to those who claim they know there is this god. This is all Poid is doing. I did it to for awhile, until I realized it was futile to try and reason with such irrational beliefs.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Icelander]
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Any belief can be considered irrational if there is no supporting evidence to back it up.

I think it's futile for people to say that vinegar makes a great environment friendly cleaner.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Fraggin]
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"I think it's futile for people to say that vinegar makes a great environment friendly cleaner. "

Why is it futile?  They could just mean that they enjoy its smell, dont become sick as often when using it to clean, and their beliefs about human made chemical cleaners point to an organic solution.  Is that so futile?  It could perhaps convey a lot of information.  Is it universally true?  No, but is anything?  Futility is in the eye of the beholder.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Fraggin]
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Is a rational belief more valuable than an irrational one?

:smile:


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:bliss:

It's the same thing.

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Re: My life without god [Re: yelyarb]
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Depends on what you're looking for.

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Re: My life without god [Re: yelyarb]
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learningtofly said:
Poid said:
Are any of your beliefs regarding "God" supported by evidence of some sort? :strokebeard:


no and there's no evidence against god either so just stop it with this question. we both know that proving the existence or non-existence of god is not possible.

It is an unfalsifiable theory! :facepalm:



yelyarb said:
Is a rational belief more valuable than an irrational one?

:smile:

Valuable in which sense? :confused2:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
It is an unfalsifiable theory! :facepalm:



It being what? Unfalsifiable in what sense? What kind of theory?:strokebeard2:

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