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Re: My life without god [Re: Wasteland]
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I wish that religions had an outlet for atheists rising from their communities though. I really could have used it when I was younger. An introduction to the world apart from the church.


Ever heard of the Alpha test?

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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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Why do i have to have the same definitions for words then you do? What is wrong with having not exactly the same meanings for concepts? As long as i can make myself be understood then it doesn't matter if have 'biased' ideas about the meaning of words.

In fact Mushroomtrip was so upset about being pushed into believing 'God' was in control. But how about other peoples definitions for the things you know being in control? How about that?

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
Why do i have to have the same definitions for words then you do? What is wrong with having not exactly the same meanings for concepts? As long as i can make myself be understood then it doesn't matter if have 'biased' ideas about the meaning of words.

That's the thing; how do you expect yourself to be clearly understood if you're not speaking the same language as the people whom you are speaking to/with? :strokebeard:



Ahimsa said:
...how about other peoples definitions for the things you know being in control?

Can you clarify this statement, please?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: My life without god [Re: jivJaN]
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Nice post jivJan


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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
Ahimsa said:
Why do i have to have the same definitions for words then you do? What is wrong with having not exactly the same meanings for concepts? As long as i can make myself be understood then it doesn't matter if have 'biased' ideas about the meaning of words.

That's the thing; how do you expect yourself to be clearly understood if you're not speaking the same language as the people whom you are speaking to/with? :strokebeard:
Ahimsa said:
...how about other peoples definitions for the things you know being in control?

Can you clarify this statement, please?


But i do speak the same language, it's just very difficult to make myself understood often because i have different meanings for words then most people have. I will say 'ownership' and have a very sprecise idea what that means. For someone else it has a different meaning and then they say that i say something that is not possible and we argue about what is being said and it's really tough to convince them that i know what i mean but that they are seeing it differently.

About the others being in control. Your concepts were given to you and you integrated them into 'your way' of thinking. But did you really invent the meanings or did you just pick up what the other said, and adapted that what you already knew? Because in that case, you are not you, you are them!

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Re: My life without god [Re: Chronic7]
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Hello :blush:

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Hey :wink:



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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
Poid said:
Ahimsa said:
Why do i have to have the same definitions for words then you do? What is wrong with having not exactly the same meanings for concepts? As long as i can make myself be understood then it doesn't matter if have 'biased' ideas about the meaning of words.

That's the thing; how do you expect yourself to be clearly understood if you're not speaking the same language as the people whom you are speaking to/with? :strokebeard:
Ahimsa said:
...how about other peoples definitions for the things you know being in control?

Can you clarify this statement, please?


But i do speak the same language, it's just very difficult to make myself understood often because i have different meanings for words then most people have.

Then try to define them. :shrug:



Ahimsa said:
I will say 'ownership' and have a very sprecise idea what that means. For someone else it has a different meaning and then they say that i say something that is not possible and we argue about what is being said and it's really tough to convince them that i know what i mean but that they are seeing it differently.

If you have different definitions for terms, then you probably need to define them intelligibly in order to be understood.



Ahimsa said:
About the others being in control. Your concepts were given to you and you integrated them into 'your way' of thinking. But did you really invent the meanings or did you just pick up what the other said, and adapted that what you already knew?

I guess it's a combination of both; I learned the meanings that I picked up from what "the other" said. 



Ahimsa said:
Because in that case, you are not you, you are them!

I am always me.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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Fuck god, fucking mind.


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if you ever feel lost, just remember, life is not a journey, it is entertainment, all 4 fun...


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Re: My life without god [Re: Poid]
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Ahimsa said:
Because in that case, you are not you, you are them!


I am always me.


Ofcourse you are always you, but the you that you are may be very much the same like any other 'you' if you do not reïnvent the meaning of words for yourself.

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Re: My life without god [Re: deCypher]
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Are you omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?  If not, then what unorthodox definition of 'god' are you using?


no im not.
to be honest with you , i find the notion of god being defined ridiculous to begin with.
i merely use the word 'god' since its something we can agree on knowing very little about :smile:

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You know nothing about me, and I'd appreciate if you kept your comments about who you think I am to yourself.


you're absolutely right.
i know very little about you hence comments on who you are would indeed be very inappropriate.

but i wasn't talking about who you are.

you can consider this an error

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i would like to say that the title of your thread implies that the thread is about you , therefore inviting comments on it , which i am now doing.


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i was commenting on your story.


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Please contribute when you have something of value to say, or stfu


ah..
some more quality control i see :smile:


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: My life without god [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
But how about other peoples definitions for the things you know being in control? How about that?


I am willing to believe in the existence of any of those gods who can make their appearance, even though wouldn't imply any submission of any sort from my side. :shrug:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: My life without god [Re: jivJaN]
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i merely use the word 'god' since its something we can agree on knowing very little about :smile:

I hope you're referring to you and that one poster cause most of humanity thinks they know exactly what god is. (whatever their religion told them to think)


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: My life without god [Re: jivJaN]
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jivJaN said:
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Are you omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent?  If not, then what unorthodox definition of 'god' are you using?


no im not.
to be honest with you , i find the notion of god being defined ridiculous to begin with.
i merely use the word 'god' since its something we can agree on knowing very little about :smile:


Yeah, then this means that I have no rational idea what 'I am god' means.  I've intuitively felt this before, particularly while on DMT, but the concept definitely needs further analysis to understand what the hell we're even talking about.


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Re: My life without god *DELETED* [Re: deCypher]
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Re: My life without god [Re: rebus_minus]
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rebus_minus said:
it would mean that you can never vanish because you are what makes something happen.




If this is true, then we can get rid of milk cartons for good.

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Re: My life without god [Re: rebus_minus]
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rebus_minus said:
it would mean that you can never vanish because you are what makes something happen.


My mind affects matter, sure, but how does this imply that I am immortal?

rebus_minus said:
or that you are the ground of being itself


Can you define 'ground of being'?

rebus_minus said:
but this goes for everything living because life is stronger than death.


All living things must die; the progression of time means that order must inevitably give into disorder.

rebus_minus said:
death is the only thing not existing.


Death exists as a property and can be found exemplified in reality almost everywhere you look.  :confused:

rebus_minus said:
and we are all

outside of time


Our consciousness lives in the eternal Now; how are we outside of time?

rebus_minus said:
not dead yet.


I'll agree with you there.  :mushroom2:


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Re: My life without god *DELETED* [Re: deCypher]
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Re: My life without god [Re: rebus_minus]
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:lol:, sorry about that.  I wouldn't have torn it apart if we had been in M&P!


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Re: My life without god [Re: deCypher]
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I see belief in god as being like a boat.  Humans may have developed certain mental faculties of abstract or categorical reasoning through the idea of god, which is sort of the "ultimate" gestalt concept.  If that is the case, then we owe a lot to the idea of god, but owe nothing to god itself, because we've never actually met in any anthropomorphic sense.

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