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Re: Free Speech vs Religion [Re: dblaney]
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I'm gonna take these two together because they relate

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No, obviously the real thing. But I don't think there's any blanket statement here. Sometimes being blunt may be the best thing to do, other times, being quiet may be the best thing to do.

Not necessarily, B doesn't need to stop making jokes because of fear. B could continue making jokes and then get seriously injured as a result. Or B could stop making jokes because B realizes it is a sensitive issue and doesn't want to upset A.



Yes, it is wise for B (if they want to protect themselves) to be cautious around A.
I am not talking from this angle.
The angle from which I am looking at this issue is entirely different.
Should a nation, a state or an individual make an official apology of such nature? Yes, I acknowledge the fact that it might be "safer" (even thought this is debatable too, because what seems to be safe in the short run, might be detrimental in the long run). But if such a thing occurs it means that a precedent has been created. The offended will always rise their demands because their recipe showed results. It means that we are willingly giving up our freedom

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But what about people who HAVEN'T reached maturity?



This will always be the same.
Some will be mature and others won't. :shrug:
But if you protect the weak, they will never have the chance to grow. Or self destruct if they are unable to learn. :shrug: But you know, that's life and I have learned that overprotection stands against evolution.

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Ok...education.

Good luck creating a relationship based on understanding if you continue to say and do things that they interpret as being offensive and insulting and even heretical.



No matter what I (or anyone else do), there will always be people who will feel insulted, hurt, or consider my actions as being unjust.

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MT, you are a mature person who is concerned with personal growth and development and I respect that. But not everyone is like that. Many people are caught in reactive patterns and emotions.



Yes.
People are caught in reactive emotions because of the situations where other people let them think that they deserve apologies. :wink:


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Re: Free Speech vs Religion [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I agree with some of what you say, and disagree with other parts. In this case, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

Thanks for your thoughts though. One of the things I think is great about this forum is the ability of posters here to challenge ideas and conceptions. Usually I'm just around like-minded people and so many ideas go unchallenged.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Free Speech vs Religion [Re: dblaney]
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I once let an idea go unchallenged. Guess I was tired or something...


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