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#1367754 - 03/12/03 02:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Respect? We much approach it with respect? Sorry, don't buy it. WE MUST understand the possible repercussions of set, setting and dosage on our own body's mental and physical health, naturally; but the fungus does not personally care about our attitude. It will not "punish" us if we call it names and grind them under our heel before ingesting them rather than saying "Nice, nice mushie", and gently chewing them fresh with eyes closed in a lotus position.
"I take them for fun."
"I am morally superior to you because I take them for spiritual reasons."
Whatever. Do you eat watermelon for fun or for spiritual reasons? Doesn't matter. Your body will break down the sugar the same way despite your "intentions".
"Well Swami, certainly you recognize the sacredness of the mushroom."
Um, not really. Are cubes more sacred than Shaggy Manes, more sacred than food? If you so decide, but there is nothing inherently more sacred.
Let's see. You are stranded in the desert with no food or water or transport back to civilization. I offer you a fresh watermelon or a bag-o-shrooms. Which would seem more sacred to you?
Isn't a substance that gives you life more sacred than a substance that gives you pretty fractal visions?
To have real fun, go the the Ayahuasca website and have this same conversation. Burning at the stake would be too good for the blasphemer.
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 Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1367775 - 03/12/03 02:33 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah i agree,
i do respect it the mushrooms as in if i take them them in a wrong setting, dosage, or tone i can have a bad trip ... but im tripping and thats about it.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1367778 - 03/12/03 02:37 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would only say that perhaps mushrooms can bring about an awareness of the sacred nature of ALL things,Not that they themselves are of greater spiritual value than Swami's watermelon.Both are inherently miracles in that an inert seed or spore can germinate into life and grow to reproduce itself.
So Swami I guess, yes the mushroom IS sacred,but only as sacred as a watermelon or a peach.Both of which are miracles of life. WR
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: whiterasta]
#1367807 - 03/12/03 02:49 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Isn't a substance that gives you life more sacred than a substance that gives you pretty fractal visions?
Exactly, all hail the holy watermelon! 
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1367871 - 03/12/03 03:15 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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The references to watermelons in this post are promoting a false stereotype about mushrooms.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1367918 - 03/12/03 03:27 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Let's see. You are stranded in the desert with no food or water or transport back to civilization. I offer you a fresh watermelon or a bag-o-shrooms. Which would seem more sacred to you?"
Give me the shrooms.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1367947 - 03/12/03 03:36 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms aren't sacred in themself, they are only sacred to individuals to wish to interpret them as such.
For me, tripping has opened my eyes to wonders I never imagined. The mushroom is a tool, it can be used in many ways. I can't say I used it primarily for spirituality, but what I experience is definitely spiritual for me. It gains its sacredness for its ability to interact with me on a level that nothing else can.
It's not the "mushroom" thats sacred, its the experience it gives you. The experience varies with different people, for some its nothing but good times, for others it means much more, and therefore its deemed sacred.
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well, it's not like describing the physical interactions of the mushrooms and your brain or the food and your brain (food could be considered a milder psychedelic, if anything that impacts the electro-collodial state of the brain alters consciousness) really describes anything at all of the meaning and significance of the interior states that particularly, the mushroom, might occasion. it would be pure superstition to believe that there were in groups and out groups, sacred and non-sacred, in the physical world, as you know that the mushrooms have also been stigmatized as evil ---- however, the idea of being humbled by a plant might be occasioned by the mushroom, the lesson learned being the necessity of living in harmony with the rest of the ecosystem, though hardly, conceptually, being humbled by only this particular plant.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1367986 - 03/12/03 03:49 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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ya i agree.....ill take the shrooms over the watermelon any day.....
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1368096 - 03/12/03 04:53 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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You don't respect what you consume?
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Strumpling]
#1368149 - 03/12/03 05:16 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think 'respecting' the mushroom is meant to put us in the right frame of mind. Just like eating an apple, you can enjoy the tastes or you can ignore the tastes and sensations caused by eating it. Respecting the mushroom is about knowing the magnitude of its effects.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1369197 - 03/12/03 11:17 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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how big is the bag o shrooms?
everything is equally sacred. to intentionally "disrespect" mushrooms wont necessarily put you on a bad trip, but it certainly does reflect a certain trait of your personality. why would you go out of your way to disrespect something? chances are it's because you don't respect yourself, and feel the need to hide from this. of course, im no psychologist, so what i just said is a total bunch of shit.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1369611 - 03/12/03 01:47 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Well Swami, certainly you recognize the sacredness of the mushroom."
Do you always talk to yourself? 
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1369687 - 03/12/03 02:07 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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You probably don't pause to 'give thanks' for other 'gifts,' which means thanks for every aspect of existence. That would be the behavior of Homo Religiosus. The nature of a Sacrament is defined differently from religion to religion, as well as within denominations of the same religion.
The Soma of the Hindu Vedas was regarded with varying degrees of veneration, even deified at times. The Sacrament of the Eucharist, with Bread and Wine, means something entirely different in Catholicism (Transubstantiation), Orthodoxy (Trans-Elementation) or Protestantism (Symbolization), yet all of these denominations fall under rubric of Christendom. The respective theologies reflect different metaphysics as well as different psychologies of belief.
Sacraments belong to the sphere of the Sacred. One either lives within this sphere of influence, or one remains in the merely existential and Profane world. This division is not intended to reflect an Adlerian power motive - superiority vs. inferiority. It reflects 'The Sacred and the Profane' - the title of a book by historian of religion Mircea Eliade which would explain to you the profound difference...if ever you become interested.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1369699 - 03/12/03 02:10 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: TheHateCamel]
#1369732 - 03/12/03 02:20 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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hmmm...i respect them as a living thing, just like a respect a watermellon....
but i also have a kind of 'theroy' on ethno's, waht if humans are reincarnted into plants...and ethno's are thoses human or animal reincarnations....it would make them 'speical', like allowing another living soul into your body...
i don't nessarly believe it, but it's a thought...
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: soylent_green]
#1369769 - 03/12/03 02:31 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami, what's the point of arguing about this stuff if you allready know you won't change your opinion? Are you just trying to get backing and make people more like you?
Mushrooms are great tools. But it is a tool that can only be used properly by the user if it's proper use of the tool is known.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: TheHateCamel]
#1370016 - 03/12/03 03:30 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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awesome replies, hatecamel! 
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: RebelSteve33]
#1370043 - 03/12/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1370728 - 03/12/03 07:06 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you're reading into it a bit too much.. respect as I understood it in this instance, was just a lazy way of saying, as loverofearth put it, try and understand the magnitude of its effects..
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: deep_umbra]
#1373396 - 03/13/03 03:36 PM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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ITs just sad seeing people using something that can teach you anything you want to know and show you how to live a better life to just waste some time cause there bored.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: CockyMandrill]
#1374366 - 03/14/03 12:54 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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How do you know if someone else's time is wasted of not? Seem rather presumptious that you know what is best for another. Doesn't the mushroom teach not to judge?
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: CockyMandrill]
#1374375 - 03/14/03 12:59 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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swami, i know you've eaten mushrooms lots a times. And a side of the point you've made: did you never ever experience some mindgobbling revelations that, in some degree, manifest itself either positively or negatively in your normal life??
I myself am as much of a sceptic as you in many 'paranormal', 'UFO' or whatever kind of theories some ppl present here as absolute 'truths', but never ever would I degrade the profound life-altering mushroom-experiences to some 'pretty fractal visions'. Are these experiences 'sacred'?? Well to ME they are, and that is what counts isn't it?? But sacred in the way a mothers' love is sacred, sacred as i see the beauty of nature. Sacred as i charish my filosphical tendencies to view the world. Sacred, i guess, as in something i cannot grasp, but nevertheless is very right-down-to-earth, not something 'supernatural'......
exuse my english by the way....it's not bad...but its certainly not great either.. 
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Swami]
#1374568 - 03/14/03 02:54 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are conflating respect with reverence.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: quemo]
#1374747 - 03/14/03 03:58 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are these experiences 'sacred'?? Well to ME they are, and that is what counts isn't it?? But sacred in the way a mothers' love is sacred, sacred as i see the beauty of nature. Sacred as i charish my filosphical tendencies to view the world. Sacred, i guess, as in something i cannot grasp, but nevertheless is very right-down-to-earth, not something 'supernatural'......
Well said, that's the way I would look at it. 
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: ]
#1374987 - 03/14/03 05:16 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you saying that I regularly perform conflatio?
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: ]
#1375024 - 03/14/03 05:27 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Conflating?
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 Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: ]
#1375106 - 03/14/03 05:54 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mushrooms aren't sacred in themself, they are only sacred to individuals to wish to interpret them as such.
Exactly. Everything in this life is how you interprept it. Or how you decide to see it. I'm sure there are people that would trip to watermelon seeds if they thought it would make them trip (reminds me of the banana peel).
Swami, do you get more pleasure out of tripping on mushroomz or by trying to "prove" that they aren't a big deal? We are given the choice to either believe they are sacred or that they are not. So you decide if they are or not for yourself, and let other people decide for themselves too, instead of you telling them that they aren't.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Murex]
#1375353 - 03/14/03 07:30 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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Conflating?
Conflate 1. To bring together; meld or fuse: “They ingeniously conflated other characters and incidents to provide an op?ra-comique setting” (Andrew Porter).
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: ]
#1375425 - 03/14/03 07:57 AM (21 years, 6 months ago) |
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"How do you know if someone else's time is wasted of not? Seem rather presumptious that you know what is best for another. Doesn't the mushroom teach not to judge? "
I do consider doing shrooms for just some laughs and visuals is a waste of time. Plenty things are a waste of time. Why do you think most American citizens spend so much money on entertainment? Its cause we have too much time on our hands and not much else to do besides find fun ways to make it pass.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: Earth_Droid]
#1381863 - 03/16/03 04:38 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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hell no i wouldnt want to be on shrooms when i was about to die. that would be a definate negative setting and a bad trip.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: 1stimer]
#1381947 - 03/16/03 05:25 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think the reason they are considered "sacred" is because of their ability to open the mind to a greater awareness of existence. I am grateful for all my trips but...
I dont worship the shroom itself, i worship the divinity that the mushroom guided me towards
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I dont worship the shroom itself, i worship the divinity that the mushroom guided me towards
nicely put.
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: shaggy101]
#1381984 - 03/16/03 05:42 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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The mushroom itself is not what is sacred.
The state of mind achieved from teh mushroom is what I consider sacred, or special if you will. Its a state of mind I'm priveldged enough to experience, so you better believe Im thankful.
Food in itself is sacred to me as well, simply because its sustaining life. Life is the greatest gift I've recieved thus far, and whatever helps me keep it is sacred , or atleast very, very great to me
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Re: Respecting the Sacred Mushroom [Re: 1stimer]
#1382103 - 03/16/03 06:54 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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hell no i wouldnt want to be on shrooms when i was about to die. [/quote
There'snever been a time when you thought you were abou to die or had gone "too far" when you were trippin hard? I think mushrooms could be an intense gateway to the *actual* death experience, but i agree, it might thrwo you off balance for the "final" exit.
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