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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Blastrid]
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The act of overflowing cold mellons through the crevace of both letters will take a vitamin more useless clevage to seperate.


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Blastrid]
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It's in the book "American Scream" by Cynthia True available at amazon now...Bill also talks about it in an interview - he considered the alien experience utterly real and didn't like to say he was tripping at the time because people (like swami) wouldn't have taken it seriously. Bill explains how him and his friend both had the same alien experience and then the interviewer asks "Were you on anything?" and Bill goes "No".


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Xlea321]
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So we are supposed to know when old Bill is lying and when he is telling the truth?


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Swami]
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Steady on swami, don't be starting on Bill now...


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Xlea321]
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hey swami, does it ever seem like too many people in here don't know the difference between an insult and a counterargument?


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Blastrid]
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Exactly.

1. Bill sez he saw aliens. (and claims he was telling the truth)

2. Bill sez he was not on any mind-altering substance (and claims that he was lying).

So he could just as easily be lying about statement 1. His profession is to SELL his writings, and alien stuff sells.

Take Whitley Streiber for example. He hadn't had a sci-fi or horror book sell in over a dozen years until he comes out with Communion & Transformation that popularize alien contact and become best sellers.


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Xlea321]
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I think it very cool that Bill mentioned me in an interview.


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Swami]
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So he could just as easily be lying about statement 1. His profession is to SELL his writings, and alien stuff sells.

WTF? Bill Hicks was a comedian. He didn't sell any writings.

Yet more ignorance. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you are so utterly clueless?


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Xlea321]
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He didn't sell any writings.

Who can believe an admitted liar?



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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Xlea321]
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The power of the seed of doubt is strong...

It turns counterpoints into insults... questions into blasphemy... the questioner into a heretic.


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Swami]
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Swami, logic is only any use when you have knowledge to base it on. You tend to tie yourself up in logic with no knowledge. It's bizarre and faintly disturbing to see you do it.

However many psychedelics you took it clearly wasn't enough.


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Swami]
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Shamans say there are spirits. They say spirits help them cure people. And in some cases, they cure people that modern medicine cannot cure...

Since there are effects to their medicine, there must be some truth in what they say.

I never heard about greyish spirits in all my readings, but one can read the introduction of Harner's book: Shamanism and Hallucinogens; he writes about the reptilian kind.

Maria sabina says she drinks beer (bemushroomed, of course) with some entities (she sees them as the first statesmen of Mexico) who help her heal people.

Terence McKenna speaks with what he calls LOGOS. "The mushroom speaks to you if you speak to it." in Archaic Revival

Alan Shoemaker even defines the kind of spirits that can come to you while doing an ayahuasca session in the following article:
Beware! it's long.

It seems that people from different cultures visually (and intellectually) interpret the phenomenon differently, but still, it seems that the phenomenon exists and that shamans/curanderos know how to profit from it and obtain palpable results.

Even though everything said above might be doubted as scientifically *real*, one must make one's mind. And what if all of us tried to contact those (or any) entities in our next trip with the method given?

LilMerlin.


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: LilMerlin]
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Shamans say there are spirits. They say spirits help them cure people. And in some cases, they cure people that modern medicine cannot cure...

Perhaps, but in general, the health of third world shamanistic cultures is pretty poor and alcoholism is rampant in many. I am sure that you can come up with some unique anecdotes, however; the empirical evidence seems to provide a fairly strong case against your POV.

In most cases, western medicine (sans spirits) cures people that a drum and rattle fail to help.



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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Swami]
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In reply to:
In most cases, western medicine (sans spirits) cures people that a drum and rattle fail to help.



...perhaps.

Still friends?

LilMerlin.


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Re: The Aliens Are Here [Re: Swami]
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Oh dear Swami, I see you quickly ignored the bulk of the post regarding entities.

Not surprising as it comprehensivly routs your ludicrous "It's only because they've seen Communion"


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