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Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions
    #7083301 - 06/23/07 01:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This question is directed towards the western lifestyle.

Would you know a Shaman if you met one? Would learning from him be more like humouring him? Is it possible for a Shaman to have a place in western society, and furthormore can (s)he exist in America, lets say. Should a Shaman be defined obejctibley or subjectively?


In a very true way, there is a Shaman in all of us; obviosuly:-) We can all learn from each other and at times blow each others reality apart. But is this still a very real profession, just as a lawyer;-)
Or the the fact that what a Shaman is, is in a way is continually redefined part of what being a Shaman is all about?

Is anyone in this list a Shaman: Maria Sabina, don Juan, Baron Munchausen, timothy leary, bill hicks, ghandhi, yourself...why and why not?

If I met a so called Shaman, I wouldn't humour him, nor question him , as long as he had confidence.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7083320 - 06/23/07 01:38 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say Maria Sabina is the only real 'shaman' on that list. Bill Hicks was a prophet tho! :rockon: :cool:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Sinbad]
    #7083332 - 06/23/07 01:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

so what does a Shaman do though? Would I be an ASSHOLE to say with complete confidence I am a Shaman?


Is it a personal definition, or a societal one? Are there any westerners famous or local that would qualify? Shamans do not HAVE to use "drugs" as par of their curriculum.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7083340 - 06/23/07 01:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Would you know a Shaman if you met one? only if they want you to.
Would learning from him be more like humouring him? depends on what your learning.
Is it possible for a Shaman to have a place in western society, and furthormore can (s)he exist in America, lets say. Should a Shaman be defined obejctibley or subjectively? Well reguardless of what culture its a type of person a persona. when born into western society the usually get so distorted by this society the kill themslesves or lose who they are and dont come around til alot later in life.


In a very true way, there is a Shaman in all of us; obviosuly:-) We can all learn from each other and at times blow each others reality apart. But is this still a very real profession, just as a lawyer;-)
Or the the fact that what a Shaman is, is in a way is continually redefined part of what being a Shaman is all about.

well in a sense its a profession but not really as aristotle said a true job doesnt get paided. when your one you do it cause you have to do it and its your life. everyone one lives in the shamans world cause its not really the shamans world they are just the gardener tending it, people often over look this


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7083361 - 06/23/07 01:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Great answer Thedudenj, how the hell have you been?

Anyone else want to shed more light/darkness on this crap;-)


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7083392 - 06/23/07 02:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

theres no such thing as good or evil. right or wrong. just life with pain or with out in chaos. chaos is ever present even when it appears not. its all about where you stand. :grin:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7083415 - 06/23/07 02:11 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Are you me? hahahahahaha...

Someone please highjack my thread!

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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7083448 - 06/23/07 02:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

btw a medicine man is the mast of illusion for the sake of healing and only healing to bring about life with no pain or lessening pain or even lessoning pain


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7083478 - 06/23/07 02:25 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Said freedom and knowledge:
The question will be: Who is more powerful The shaman or the Dr?
I know the word Dr. and the games of medicine and money. Shaman rimes with scam, sham, and other unspeakable words coming out of the shadow of humanity (like resign and thieves). Can all the Dr. papers clean-up the deed of the scam or the shame of Dignity? I ask everyone to call me Dr. just because I’m not. Thousands have given me the title and so they humour me. I have many Dr. titles given by the many that said so, knowing I’m not. Let the scum-scaming sum-up their money. I take none. However, the knowledge said that the scum-scaming shaman with the paper/money sells humanity to a soul tan. The system will take care of that. Shaman rimes with vomit and drugs. The shaman rimes and the Dr. does.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Recondicom]
    #7083550 - 06/23/07 02:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

the DR.'s power lies in meaningless death and suffer for capital gain and most are born to do that task but do it cause they can in this society. a shaman is forced into it and its the only choice they have, no matter how many people belive,trust,or anything them they are what they are. a Dr. on the other hand is what they are but its not always a medicine man.

tho nowadays due to all the counter culture theres tons of fake medicine men too that work in the same way western doctors do.

the true way to tell the differance is a true healer cares about the mind, body and soul and the only reason the mind and body is a means to get to the soul.

the fake pretend to care and generally only treats one of the 3 or claims to have treated


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7084243 - 06/23/07 06:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

My understanding is that a shaman is anyone who willfully enters altered states of conciousness for a specific spiritual or healing purpose.

By this definition shamans exist in all cultures, including the western world.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Moonshoe]
    #7084273 - 06/23/07 06:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

well the truest deffinition is elder thats the word orgin.

but yeah for the most part they are spiritual healers and as i said they exisit in this culture not all Dr.,Priest,and ect are super capitalist but still.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7084590 - 06/23/07 09:08 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think you can learn as much from a "fake" Shaman as you can a real one, one infers the opposite...

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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7085757 - 06/24/07 03:23 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, but thing is you have to be aware that they are fake or your just playing in their fallacy


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7085920 - 06/24/07 04:25 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Usually a shaman can be picked out from a crowd because they have bad taste
in clothes and look old for their age due to alcohol, cigarette and other
substance abuse. They usually talk idly and neurotically about basic things
that any semi-intelligent person can figure out, but have some distance
to this that any semi-intelligent person does not have. By email you can
recognize them through the spam mail they send you about drum courses that
leave people unsatisfied and just prey on the weak that haven't experienced
anything shamanic on their own such as psychedelics, meditative states or
any other sort of insight where the ego is broken down. Most of this money
goes to alcohol, cigarettes and trips to exotic places where they obtain
herbs for their drum courses. So the problem here is that it because
a profession, a source of income.

Of course, there are some shamans than aren't hacks and could impress
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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Lakefingers]
    #7086106 - 06/24/07 06:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Why should an authentic shaman care a fig about western society? A true shaman would stick to his roots, the place with which he has a special bond.

I would always be wary of a shaman who sells the deepest secrets of his calling.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: shakercee]
    #7086217 - 06/24/07 08:20 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

shamans= spin doctors


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Lakefingers]
    #7086508 - 06/24/07 11:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Lakefingers said:
Usually a shaman can be picked out from a crowd because they have bad taste
in clothes and look old for their age due to alcohol, cigarette and other
substance abuse. They usually talk idly and neurotically about basic things
that any semi-intelligent person can figure out, but have some distance
to this that any semi-intelligent person does not have. By email you can
recognize them through the spam mail they send you about drum courses that
leave people unsatisfied and just prey on the weak that haven't experienced
anything shamanic on their own such as psychedelics, meditative states or
any other sort of insight where the ego is broken down. Most of this money
goes to alcohol, cigarettes and trips to exotic places where they obtain
herbs for their drum courses. So the problem here is that it because
a profession, a source of income.

Of course, there are some shamans than aren't hacks and could impress
even the picky through their hypnotic deeds. Thankfully I've also met one of these.




so what about the ones that have great taste in clothes just people marvel at it and go wow but would never wear anything like that themselves. tho they use alcohol and tabbacco, once they shave and take a shower look a bit young for their age, but while in disguise look older. people instantly find them way older then they are thru convo. and in convo wether they do alot or little the person is hypnotized, but then for the ritualts he/she does he takes them to a whole nother level of understanding, ussually one those people couldnt even perceive and then understand why they live their lives and why the shaman must live their life the way they do and now just have an appecaition and higher connection.
they also spend most thier money on healing people. they also could be standing right next to you and be able to feel any illness such as if you hurt your like they could just poke you in that spot cause they know with out you telling them.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7086864 - 06/24/07 01:07 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What the fuck is a shaman? :what:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7087238 - 06/24/07 03:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

orginally the tribal elder-the one that tells the stories of the tribe and rememebers back in the day the day of creation due to him being reborn and just having a body some infact are so old they were before creation and when destruction came then recreation they kinda watched it all.
now differnt tribes elders werent as badass, some used plants some healed, some were tyrants. and so forth
differnt culutres have different ways of life and interprating their reality thus differnt traditions.
the best tho are the ones that found the imomrtal medicine and thats how they could be beyond creation and desturction and so damn zeta
or more recently the healer or medicine man


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7087250 - 06/24/07 03:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What about Asian Shamanism? Did that exist in a form? How does it differ?

I'm thinking what a Shaman is is more subjective than objective.



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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7087282 - 06/24/07 03:48 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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You have what?

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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7087308 - 06/24/07 03:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It's called a dynamic signature! It's random everytime.




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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7087756 - 06/24/07 05:30 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

well the only differnace between any shaman is thier location and age and memory


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7088983 - 06/25/07 12:05 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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What the fuck is a shaman? :what:




if i tell you, you will not know

the true definition lies within the subjectivity of experience

that is, not a definition based on a conceptual framework, rather a collection of experiences that build on to an intuitive understanding

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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7088994 - 06/25/07 12:08 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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thedudenj said:
well the only differnace between any shaman is thier location and age and memory




and most importantly,

experience


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: onlynow]
    #7089007 - 06/25/07 12:11 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

lol i would more so say death shamans are death!


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7089027 - 06/25/07 12:18 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i have died

or have i?

how far does death go?


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7089047 - 06/25/07 12:26 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Most self-proclaiming Shamans are fulla shit, I've found.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7089131 - 06/25/07 12:52 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

maybe we all have an inner-shaman that just needs one to find. whether one cares about their self more than the outer world is the main question.

people bring so much prestige to the title of "shaman"... You could call yourself Jesus, moses, shiva, vishna, buddha.. whatever.. they, to me, seem like people that have shamanistic whatever. just different styles

but fuck I don't know, just sounds good.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7090109 - 06/25/07 10:19 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This is a very complex topic. I'm also Captain Obvious.

I think though, more often than not, what Shaman is to someone, is very subjective...My shaman might be your preacher.




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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7090940 - 06/25/07 03:43 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

If: Crossed the boarders to death. Initiation. Truthful path. Healing balance. Melted Self into One. Muchas more.
Then: Maybe comes into range of possibility.
Ugh.
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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7095166 - 06/26/07 04:46 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I think I met a guy last night that met most of my criteria for being a shaman. I know a bit about the subject, and he fell right in line with my view of the true warrior\shaman. He did not call himself one or attempt to sell himself in any way, he was just hanging out passing the time of day, but it was very obvious that this guy was different from a lot of the weirdos I have met...as a matter of fact he wasn't really a flake or weirdo at all.

My reaction was to engage him in a conversation.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095191 - 06/26/07 04:51 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

So what happened?


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7095196 - 06/26/07 04:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The shaman turned Hue into a crow, and so he is currently "hunt-and-pecking" his posts.  :lol:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7095212 - 06/26/07 04:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I asked about his views on life and his spiritual practice. He said that if you are ready to die you can do anything you want. I said "Anything you want literally?" He said "Yeah...anything you want." This was one of the major things I learned. I am told by his peers that he lives his word.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095218 - 06/26/07 04:58 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well I am typing one handed for sure. :smile: Never was much of typer...only a coder.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095225 - 06/26/07 04:59 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:  Watch it, Hue, "typing one-handed" usually has another implication.  :naughty:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095232 - 06/26/07 05:01 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Only that he is lazy because he is laying in the floor.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095240 - 06/26/07 05:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"He" is lazy?  :confused: Are you referring to yourself in the third person now?  Hmmm...perhaps a side-effect of squeezing the shaman?


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095256 - 06/26/07 05:08 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Because Huehuecoyotl is someone else, so I speak of him in the third person sometimes. For your info you meet many of those same criteria as well....but he keeps that to himself because girls are not supposed to be as smart as Huehuecoyotl, but sometimes I know better...


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095298 - 06/26/07 05:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not a girl, I'm a Shawoman.  :lol:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095305 - 06/26/07 05:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

No, that would be Shamaness.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095312 - 06/26/07 05:21 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

No, thanks. "Ess" is a diminutive, which indicates a lesser, smaller version of the original. I prefer Shawoman or Warrior Queen.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095337 - 06/26/07 05:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Your blowing this out of proportion. The Foundation for Shamanic Studies might pull your permit for self importance...


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095353 - 06/26/07 05:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not claiming to be more important, but rather equally important.  :lol:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095364 - 06/26/07 05:36 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Warrior Queen = Shaman? No no...


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095367 - 06/26/07 05:38 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I was not suggesting that they had the same meaning, I was saying that those were my preferred titles.  :lol:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095380 - 06/26/07 05:42 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Getting a compliment from Huehuecoyotl is rare, but getting him to concede further is difficult.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095467 - 06/26/07 06:02 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Okey, dokey, I'll just take it and run.  :grin:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095479 - 06/26/07 06:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Veritas]
    #7095482 - 06/26/07 06:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Hmmm...perhaps a side-effect of squeezing the shaman?




Sometimes a lonely man has no recourse but to to squeeze the shaman...



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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7095489 - 06/26/07 06:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Good one...I didn't really get the joke until just now.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095544 - 06/26/07 06:17 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Shamans have many names...


I have Dobro names!


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    #7095594 - 06/26/07 06:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Shaman is just a general term for a wide class of spiritual practitioners.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7095664 - 06/26/07 06:41 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Shaman is just a general term for a wide class of spiritual practitioners.




Even I Am Shaman!

That should prove the term almost meaningless.


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Icelander]
    #7095769 - 06/26/07 07:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Even I Am Shaman!





Kung FU TV series

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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7096109 - 06/26/07 08:24 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

lol yeah self proclaimed ones are ussually


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7096123 - 06/26/07 08:28 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Terence Mckenna had a lot to say about Shamanism.  His audio/video stuff is worth a gander if you haven't entertained the idea as of yet.  :smile:


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: thedudenj]
    #7096126 - 06/26/07 08:29 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I have think to be a Shaman, you have to have IT. IT isn't an idea, or a place, or a time. It's IT and if you don't have IT you can't do IT. Calling IT IT merely takes IT away from what IT is. Pyschedelics makes you feel IT easier. Do you have IT?

I think IT makes enough sense...:-)


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    #7096140 - 06/26/07 08:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Apollyphelion said:
IT 





It makes sense.  Apparent reality can argue duality, and it seems as you suggest, words cannot describe ultimate reality.

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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: nothing]
    #7096166 - 06/26/07 08:40 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I lost it!
Shit, my mom is gonna be pissed!!!;-)

Ultimate Reality is a nice term, three cheers for that!


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Re: Your reaction to a Shaman in real life+Shamanic Questions [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7096490 - 06/26/07 10:03 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

the ultimate reality is ever present and always


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