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OfflineNiGGy
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Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them.
    #1176782 - 12/29/02 08:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe there is that exists that we cant perceive. And out universe is what we perceive. But maybe there are other universes we can't perceive....Maybe our universe is in our minds. Without having a mind you don't have a universe.

So maybe there is existence that our minds can't even begin to comprehend. Maybe there is existence that is so much more complex that our minds cant comprehend and can't perceive.
Our minds make our reality...So what we see exists to us..But there could be stuff that is impossible to know what it is, that exists. Then maybe it doesn't exist to us. Because what we cant perceive in any way, we can't know....It doesn't exist to us...


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: NiGGy]
    #1176795 - 12/29/02 08:59 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Rather than question what exists and what doesn't, what we can comprehend and what we can't, just live dammit!

It's your life. If something has no impact on you, it doesn't exist... it's a simple philosophy that will allow one's mind to follow a path to your own personal successes, rather than waste time on the unimportant, leading to nowhere.

Of course if you feel strongly about it, pursue. It's quite possibly your road to personal success.

As usual, I've contradicted myself. Created something just to have it implode on itself and cease to exist.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: NiGGy]
    #1176798 - 12/29/02 09:01 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I can certainly perceive aliens. I think they come from the archetypal world within my own mind.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1176807 - 12/29/02 09:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Its not true until you can prove it... many things DO exist without our perception of them, for instance a consciousness within a particle, or a Quanta. There is enough evidence to believe that things that aren't possible can actually be true.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: brian_orion]
    #1176810 - 12/29/02 09:08 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I see what your saying. I just thought of this while high last night. I don't dwell on thinking about it or anything. More or less just a post of something that came to my mind.
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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1176835 - 12/29/02 09:21 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I can certainly perceive aliens. I think they come from the archetypal world within my own mind.

Same here... I think that many things throughout history such as angels, demons, ghosts, fairies, and God herself, come from that same world. It's just another vantage point of perception, no more right or wrong than anyone else's. What's real is relative. :wink: 


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: NiGGy]
    #1176845 - 12/29/02 09:25 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If you want to talk about aliens from another planet: the existence of planets outside our solar system has now been confirmed, so random chance strongly favours life on some of them, possibly intelligent life. However, despite what you see in the movies, no technology could ever exist that would allow them to directly contact each other. We have been using radio for 100 years and have yet to receive an extraterrestrial radio signal, so we can safely assume that there are no transmitters within 100 light years.

If you want to talk about aliens that dont come from another planet, then read my post about the raeliens below.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1176887 - 12/29/02 09:55 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

However, despite what you see in the movies, no technology could ever exist that would allow them to directly contact each other.

That is a pretty ignorant statement. Human civilization, as far as we know, has only been around like 50,000 years? That's hardly a child, in universal terms. There could be intelligent life out there that has existed for hundreds of millions of years. Do you think a 200 million year old intelligent species of life is going to use radio transmitters to communicate?


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Adamist]
    #1176944 - 12/29/02 10:33 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe they can do better than a radio transmitter, but many (albeit human) physicists believe that no civilization, no matter how advanced, could ever develop a technology that will enable them to travel faster than the speed of light.
However advanced these aliens are, they are still subject to the same laws of physics, which simply dont allow certain technologies to ever exist.



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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1176974 - 12/29/02 10:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe they can do better than a radio transmitter, but many (albeit human) physicists believe that no civilization, no matter how advanced, could ever develop a technology that will enable them to travel faster than the speed of light.
However advanced these aliens are, they are still subject to the same laws of physics, which simply dont allow certain technologies to ever exist.






Maybe they communicate through telepathy.

The Warp drive is a theory with some possibility of allowing faster than light travel. It works be contracting the space in front of the vehicle and expanding the space behind the vehicle. While the vehicle would not be traveling faster than light within this spacial anomyly it created, from an outside viewers perspective it would be traveling faster than light. Whether or not this is feasible, who knows.

Also that movie Event Horizon, had a good idea. About folding space together and instantaneously travelling from one point to another (some kind of worm hole i think)


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Adamist]
    #1177021 - 12/29/02 11:18 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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I can certainly perceive aliens. I think they come from the archetypal world within my own mind.

Same here... I think that many things throughout history such as angels, demons, ghosts, fairies, and God herself, come from that same world. It's just another vantage point of perception, no more right or wrong than anyone else's. What's real is relative. :wink:   




I definately beleive this, and according to Timothy Leary, the archetypes like the holy guardian angel could be us in the future.  The thoughts of the future, like sci fi writers write about are becomming a reality.  Our future selves could be those aliens.  And within each of us exists what sci fi writers refer to as a universal translator.  We will comunicate telepathically through computer link up.  And if this sounds crazy, just look around, reality is crazy.  Cloning has become a reality, teleportation has become a reality (It is at its early stage).  We can teleport atoms.  New Scientist has called 2002 the year in technology, and medicine and biology. 


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: 3eyedgod]
    #1177065 - 12/29/02 11:42 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

3eyedgod, this is interesting. However, I would like to know how it is possible to contract and expand space... I'm not talking about gases or or actual matter, because if, for example, we compress a gas, it simply takes up less space, it doesn't compress the space it occupied, too.

And wouldn't compressing space compress time, too?

Do you have more info?


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Annapurna1]
    #1177204 - 12/29/02 12:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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no technology could ever exist that would allow them to directly contact each other.  We have been using radio for 100 years and have yet to receive an extraterrestrial radio signal, so we can safely assume that there are no transmitters within 100 light years.




--what are you Marty McFly? some kind of scientist from the future?  How in the helll can you say this?  150 years ago, people wouldn't have possibly imagined HALF the shit that some of us have in our homes today, and the way technology is advancing...who knows.  :confused:

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We have been using radio for 100 years and have yet to receive an extraterrestrial radio signal, so we can safely assume that there are no transmitters within 100 light years




--Who's to say they use radio signals.  They might have outgrown radio 10,000 years ago. Radio?  It'd be like me trying talk to you with smoke signals, or a carrier pigeon.  :tongue:

- and as far as traveling at the speed of light...well, it's impossible, but if one could effectivly shift into another dimension or density,in this fashion VAST areas could be traversed without the passage of "time" as we know it.  This could account for the sightings of UFO's when the craft just seems to "flicker out like a candle" as it shifts into another density. or I could be crazy, and talking out my ass, just adding to the discussion!!  :laugh:     


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: FatNug]
    #1177357 - 12/29/02 01:46 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Aliens don't use anything as primitive as radio technology. They communicate through light and telepathy.

And Fatnug.. you're guess as to how they travel faster than light is pretty close to reality. They shift between dimension. There is also hyperspace...


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Meph]
    #1177754 - 12/29/02 04:54 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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3eyedgod, this is interesting. However, I would like to know how it is possible to contract and expand space... I'm not talking about gases or or actual matter, because if, for example, we compress a gas, it simply takes up less space, it doesn't compress the space it occupied, too.

And wouldn't compressing space compress time, too?

Do you have more info?




Hell! I'm no physicist. Just a theory I heard on the discovery channel. I don't think they have even conceived of HOW they might do it.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Shroomism]
    #1177979 - 12/29/02 07:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Aliens don't use anything as primitive as radio technology. They communicate through light...

Time for junior high school physics. Radio waves are hardly more primitive than light waves, they merely occupy a different frequency band on the electromagnetic spectrum.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Swami]
    #1177984 - 12/29/02 07:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

And similar to radio waves, they carry information.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Shroomism]
    #1178022 - 12/29/02 07:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Long range waves would be the best way to go (imo). We have discovered all the waves there are, unless there are some tiny tiny waves we don't know about- but then those waves are pretty much usless anyways.

I believe that the only way an advanced form of alien beings to communicate would be traveling through other dimensions, where the laws of physics are different.

I've read many trip stories where people have encountered entities made up of light who communicate through telepathy.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: Murex]
    #1178042 - 12/29/02 07:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Long range waves would be the best way to go (imo). We have discovered all the waves there are, unless there are some tiny tiny waves we don't know about- but then those waves are pretty much usless anyways.

There are probally many forms of energy/matter that we haven't discovered.

Never make the assumption that something small is useless.


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Re: Mabye aliens exist, and we just cant perceive them. [Re: 3eyedgod]
    #1178071 - 12/29/02 07:52 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I suppose anything is possable.

Smaller waves tend to die out quicker than large waves.


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