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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: Earth_Droid]
    #1207696 - 01/10/03 06:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe you just need a self-emptying - a catharsis. There are easier ways to vomit, and you don't need more than salt-water and your finger - No shaman required! :smile:  Seems you're looking for a good tripping partner, but is that really what you need?

But seriously, shamen belong to cultures and situations outside your own. Why not consider a soul guide (psychopomp, i.e., a cleric) or caregiver of souls (psychotherapist) - both of which serve the same archetypal purpose in your own culture. Just because one ferrets out an individual with connections to a tribal society, who calls him/herself a shaman, doesn't mean the person is good, or even 'credentialled.' Not all clerics (clearly!) are good, nor are all therapists created equal, but you won't have the ridiculous obstacles of familiarizing yourself with an alien worldview to the extent that would be necessary for healing to occur. Transference works with rattles and feathers as much as with the analyst's couch. Hell, I know a freak who tatooed all kinds of Tibetan stuff on himself, got some Tibetan lama robes, and gives 'initiations' to the gullible. Unless one is really quite connected to a culture, how is one to know the true from the false? 


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1207717 - 01/10/03 06:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not even connected to THIS culture, Markos... How do I know the good psychotherapists from the bad? I'm afraid to even look for someone.... I want to be hypnotized and asked questions, but I think it would be dangerous with someone I didn't trust or who didn't know what they were doing.


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: Adamist]
    #1208524 - 01/11/03 07:01 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

You need to ask people for references, or call up several therapists and ask them questions about their areas of expertise. I, for one, welcome such inquiries, and I'm obliged to tell people what I'm not experienced in treating or not certified to treat. I did this phone work for my Lady when she wanted a therapist. I also called up several lawyers when I needed to divorce my ex-wife. Some were pure a**holes who told me to simply leave. Wrong answer. Others didn't have answers to my simple questions. Wrong again. Hey, if you pick, say, a dentist whom you don't like, you don't go back, you look for another. Same with a mental health practitioner. As to the trust issue, I always offer a free consultation so people can have their fears dismissed. Of course, I can afford the time to do this because my private work is part-time. You can learn quite a bit on the phone - more even than one can learn on a forum like this 'cause you can pick up verbal nuances. Nothing to be afraid of Bud; a hypnotist is not gonna hurt you. If a client isn't ready to remember certain things and begins to abreact emotionally, one stops proceeding. We don't want to re-traumatize the client, and we certainly do not want to be sued for doing that either. One must be gentle.


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1211031 - 01/12/03 03:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

How about locating a mystic?
I've been meaning to chat with one of them for quite a while. I need to talk with someone whos a mystic and also n lightened.
I live in the UK. Next month i'm planning to open up yellow pages and go thorugh whole spiritual community in London. Does anyone know any mystics over here?


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1211159 - 01/12/03 06:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Mystics don't advertise in the phone book. Anyone hanging out a shingle with the word 'mystic,' is not. {S]he is most likely mad.
Enlightenment is by degree, it is relative. I am more enlightened now, than I was 25 years ago, and I am more enlightened than some people, but less enlightened than others.


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #1213221 - 01/13/03 03:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes i would imagine so. What i meant to say was i would contact someone i found in yellow pages and ask THEM if they can help me find the right individual.

Do you think that would work?

Mate if you were me how would you find a proper mystic in the UK?

ps. not necessary a mystic but a magician will do


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1213367 - 01/13/03 05:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Be careful when looking for mystics, there is a lot of bullshit out there. There is, however, an excellent community of Sufi groups, and several great leaders, who live or visit periodically in the UK.


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: Remy]
    #1213389 - 01/13/03 05:34 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

"Sufi groups"? What would be my chances of getting in touch with one of them?

I have several businesses.
One of them is i got this copy of Neconomicon and i have scheduled summoning ceremonies for early/late spring.

Before i go through it i'd need someone to talk about this and other matters.


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1213402 - 01/13/03 05:43 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What exactly do you need a mystic for? just curious...


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1213608 - 01/13/03 07:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Is it the Avon edition?

Or the more authoritative Wilson/Hay edition put out by Corgi in the late 80's?


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: GazzBut]
    #1214182 - 01/13/03 11:18 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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What exactly do you need a mystic for? just curious...




I just said in the previous post.

Landotter, it is a privet Latin translation.

So is anyone going to help me find a mystic? Or a shaman or magician in the UK?


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1214419 - 01/13/03 12:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well, you'll have to make up your mind. When I was in London, I went to the b
British Museum and sat down in front of John Dee's pantacles, crystal balls and skrying stones. I suppose, if I'd thought about it, I could have requested ahead of time, a private viewing, as a 'visiting scholar,' of some of his other personal effects. That would've more than sufficed for me. Access 'The Magician Within,' as the book by Moore & Gillette is titled - that is the ONLY way to go


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1216392 - 01/14/03 05:01 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Landotter, it is a privet Latin translation.




(the Landotter is now officially rolling on the floor and laughing)

Woohooo! You go, Neo! Good luck with that! Dude, if you couldn't understand my Latin from a previous post, how do you expect to summon a Great Old One properly from your "private Latin translation"? If "Army of Darkness" has taught us anything (and it hasn't) it's that a mispronounced word will get you nice and killed or, in this case, worse. Sounds like you should put the ol' Necronomicon away until you're older and a little wiser and maybe get started with some basic ritual magic.

Just some good-humoured advice - take it or leave it. Unless of course you enjoy getting your consciousness raped, mutated and fed upon by trans-dimensional motherfuckers from the broom-closet of the Abyss. To each his own...

Bart: "Lisa, you are, as they say in Latin, a dorkus malorkus."
Lisa: "That's not LATIN!"


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Re: Locating a Shaman *DELETED* [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1216466 - 01/14/03 05:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I never said i knew Latin, it was translated from Latin.
And i meant semi translated. All the chanting is left in original form and i know how to prononce it.

And please keep your reccomendations about puting it away to yourself. If i wanted you opinion regarding demonology or my toporgaphy i would beat it out of you.



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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1216510 - 01/14/03 05:58 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Also i can feel your monkey neophobic fear of the New.

I once said that purpose of neophobes is no greater than the purpose of germs in my anus.

That saying is getting more credible day after day.

Go and leach through you life in fear, without progress or accomplishment.
Speaking of fear, i already been in touch with KUTULU a long time ago and boy, has it got some monster plans for you all!


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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1216512 - 01/14/03 05:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Ladies and gentlemen of the Shroomery, I give you as fine a specimen of unpleasant humanity as possible. Moderators, start your engines...

>Your mama, your mama will enjoy her stinky ass hole raped on a nazi cross.

My mama (bless her dear departed soul) would smile sweetly as she put poison in your tea and we'd all be better off.

>(the Landotter is now officially rolling on the floor and laughing)

(the Landotter is now officially worried for the future)

>And mods dont you tell me about nice policies, he started and i fisnied it.

Indeed. You have fisnied with the v. best.

>Oh and i never said i knew Latin, it was translated from Latin.
>And i meant semi translated.

Then you should have said.

>All the chanting is left in original form and i
>know how to prononce it.

Though not how to spell it.

>And please keep your reccomendations about puting it away to yourself. If i
>wanted you opinion regarding demonology or my toporgaphy i would beat it out of >you.

Well, you could certainly try. But before you do, you should get your "toporgaphy" seen to ... it looks swollen and infected and you don't want that sort of thing to spread.

Ta ta ... thank gGod I never got into Britain if this is the quality resident therein. See you at the Apocalypse, Neo. I'll be the one with the temporal displacement pistol aimed at yer noggin!

(to Moderators - sorry if I got a little carried away, but he said bad things about my departed mom - and I think you'll all agree I kept my temper. Nuff said and no more of this, please and thank you)


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1216518 - 01/14/03 06:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Nuff said and no more of this, please and thank you






Oh no no, thank YOU


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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1216578 - 01/14/03 06:36 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Also i can feel your monkey neophobic fear of the New.




Uh huh.  There's a reason they're called Great OLD Ones, Neo.  Because they're OLD.  Old like your hate and old like your ideas.  You're in excellent company with Yog-Sothoth and Dagon, my mis-guided friend.  Your gods are trapped behind the ancient seals and you are trapped behind your hate.  The stars will NEVER come right and you and your gods will be assimilated into the Supercontext as quaint monstrosities, just a little archaic spice to liven up the party.

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That saying is getting more credible day after day.




Sure.  Amongst the members of the New Hitler Youth Club you obviously run.

Quote:

Speaking of fear, i already been in touch with KUTULU a long time ago and boy, has it got some monster plans for you all! 




And I thought I was delusional.  Well, bring it on, Deep One!  I like my batrachian sea-devil broiled in butter with a little lemon!  Grr!

ook ook ook

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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: the_Landotter]
    #1216629 - 01/14/03 06:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Ohh and so that you know. I never said i'll be going hand in hand with evil.
It is sheople like you who fail to recognise noephile thirst for new and condemn us as being on the bad side. Just because i'm studying certain things it doesnt mean that approve them.

And as for star, what the hell a discordian typo like you can know about stars


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Invisiblethe_Landotter
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Re: Locating a Shaman [Re: ]
    #1216669 - 01/14/03 07:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Ohh and so that you know. I never said i'll be going hand in hand with evil.




No, I see you more as having your hand half-way up the cold ass of Evil, really.

Quote:

It is sheople like you who fail to recognise noephile thirst for new and condemn us as being on the bad side. Just because i'm studying certain things it doesnt mean that approve them.




Incomprehensible. I wonder if you know how to study.

Quote:

And as for star, what the hell a discordian typo like you can know about stars




You can't know your HPLovecraft very well if you don't know that quote, Neo. Here's a primer...

"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
Yet with strange aeons even death may die."

and Cthulhu (oh! sorry! KUTULU, pardon me, you Crowley-wannabe) will rise when the stars are once again right ... or some shit like that!

IT'S FICTION, FERCRISSAKES!


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