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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
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Well I guess it could have been criticism, but I missed the point completely, but it is not important. How one perceives others is merely a reflection of the self so criticism would mean nothing.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Criticism?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
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As I said I did not understand the purpose of the statement. I try not to assume what others mean when their comments are unclear. It is possible that you were merely trying to derail my thread with irrelevant comments. In that case I am confident that the moderators will deal with you swiftly. We all know how strict they are about staying on subject.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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derail?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
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Ok


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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It was all joking, in the spirit of your thread.;)

"any major dude (read enlightened) will tell you my friend."


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (08/21/07 06:10 PM)

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
    #7318895 -

I told you I didn't get it. Who said I was joking. I am certainly as enlightened as anyone else :smile:


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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You think  you are and that's all. You cannot know how enlightened another might be.

Quit comparing yourself to others. Just love yourself as you are my son.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
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Good point. I tend to compare myself to others a LOT, and to project myself onto others. I suspect that there are people on this forum who are in a constant state of Nowness or Enlightenment, who are at peace with or above the flow of the river, and what's more, I strongly suspect that there are many who know the type of experience I am going to go through before I go through it. That is not enlightenment, that is a kind of omniscience. This leads me to want to strive for a kind of multi-tiered Enlighenment (what leery11 aptly called "Nirvana with a stage persona") which I think detracts from my actually being here now. I'm at my best when I lay aside that intellectual striving and just wing it from the heart.

It's easy to feel enlightened when you suspect that the people around you are 'asleep'. But when I am in the company of people who are truly aware and have a degree of wisdom which I cannot comprehend, I don't know what to do with myself; I realize that my attitude of awareness and being 'above it all' is usually just an egoic front so that I don't have to actually be totally present and aware. I mean, what do you do with yourself when all you see in others is a reflection of yourself??

I guess you could laugh and play around and be silly. I usually find that best.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Lion]
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who are in a constant state of Nowness or Enlightenment, who are at peace with or above the flow of the river, and what's more, I strongly suspect that there are many who know the type of experience I am going to go through before I go through it.

Ya got me.:D I know all, am all, and see all. I can predict a bathroom trip for you before nightfall.

Just thought I'd share.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
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Oy vey


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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So, what's all this, then? Some questions for me? :sherlock:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7319397 -

O enlightened master, I have a question.

Why are American chicks and most girls in general such sluts? Can you really find happiness in losing all shreds of dignity?


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
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I can answer that. I hear this all the time from guys. It's so boring.

Because guys are weak and afraid.

One has already lost the dignity, don't you think.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
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Guys are weak and afraid, therefore you should fuck as much as you can?

No, I believe dignity comes from doing virtuous acts out of compassion and losing selfishness. It seems that fucking people you don't love and who you might not even like simply to pass the time or have a good night moves away from compassion and into simple selfish desires, which perpetuate themselves until you're left with nothing but a crippled body and a grasping egotistical mind in old age.

Though I believe men are at fault too, but it's funny because it often doesn't bring people happiness when they really think it will. One girl today I was talking to told me about guys who literally lasted about a minute in bed, and then said sorry when they blew their load too quick. I mean, it's funny, yeah, but it also me lose respect for people that their desires control them so greatly.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
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Your generalization about women is telling.

The problem is yours and not theirs. When you have a clear view and can be what you say you want then things will become different. I don't think it's too hard to read between the lines of your post and your last "musical" thread.

Worry about yourself and you won't have to "lose" respect for others. They are just doing their thing.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Icelander]
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Don't be bringing Raleigh Sakers into this. I don't see how you can read between the lines of a paranoid schizophrenic's ramblings either, hah.

They are just doing their thing? A lot of people are just doing their thing, but it doesn't mean their natural way doesn't fuck up humanity. Jesus said, "Remove the log in your own eye before you remove the splinter in your brother's," and I believe that to be true, but isn't it also true that people who have cultivated virtue over their lives have cautioned people against the dangers of murder, spreading STDs and causing violence? People just doing their thing isn't always the compassionate way, and it shouldn't always be respected.

And my generalization only applies to American girls compared to other cultures I've travelled to. In northern Africa, there was legal prostitution, but the only sluts were the actual sluts. All the girls who were committed to their men stayed with their men generally, and they didn't fuck randomly. For that to be so predominant in the American and European cultures probably won't lead to our longevity is all I'm saying, and I'm wary of people who propagate it, even the hippies and others who do some good by providing LSD.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
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No, but they can be accepted.
Why would anybody try to change someone else when one could simply avoid the people one doesn't connect with?
This world is so diverse that each of us can find what we need.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Ravus]
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Hmmm...so who, exactly are these "sluts" having sex with?  Virtuous, faithful men?  Or similarly promiscuous men?  Who needs to be protected from these "sluts" who are supposedly fucking up humanity?

C'mon, we're talking about normal human behavior here, not something restricted to one sex. Men can be sluts, women can be sluts, and they may learn that their behavior is ultimately unsatisfying--or not.  :shrug: 

In some areas of Africa, it is "normal" for women to be forcibly circumcised and infibulated so that they are incapable of enjoying sex, and so that their husbands will be assured of their chastity prior to marriage.  Does this practice improve the conditions under which humanity is existing?

If we want to discuss an enlightened approach to sexuality, how about we drop the Puritanical judgment & look at the facts?

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Re: Questions for the Enlightened [Re: Veritas]
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You are saying promiscuity is natural human behavior? I don't know about that- historically, the majority of humans have been monogamous for extended periods of times, sometimes even lifetimes, and attach themselves to one partner whom they love.

I have been observing the cause of the differences between various cultures, and the "Combine" here actually causes consumers to intentionally cultivate desires, thinking that will grant them greater social status or happiness. The media, movies, music, television and other sources infuse a message into American children from birth- that the only path to happiness is sex and money and lots of luxuries. I believe naturally, families are stable and not dysfunctional and people become attached to partners in love and need rather than promoting promiscuity due to lust and general unhappiness with life.

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Who needs to be protected from these "sluts" who are supposedly fucking up humanity?


Hm, people who don't want HIV to kill them at age 25 because of this Brave New World environment come to mind.

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In some areas of Africa, it is "normal" for women to be forcibly circumcised and infibulated so that they are incapable of enjoying sex, and so that their husbands will be assured of their chastity prior to marriage. Does this practice improve the conditions under which humanity is existing?

If we want to discuss an enlightened approach to sexuality, how about we drop the Puritanical judgment & look at the facts?


I'm not going to judge a culture I've never witnessed personally, but that sounds like they are not taking the path of moderation either. Both puritanism and the "Brave New World" mentality of complete promiscuity and lack of true attachment will lead to great suffering. I don't support either one, but I have seen happiness in old couples together for a lifetime that is inexpressible, a cultivated union that does not wilt as long as their hearts beat together, and from what I see this is going to become much rarer among my generation. I wouldn't call this Puritanical judgement at all, I would not stop the young generation from following their supposedly natural way, but I predict right now that they will become so quickly jaded and unstable with their sexual relationships as they age that society will suffer greatly because of it. It happened in the 60s, propelling the divorce rate to new highs and create so many fractured families and suffering children, and young adults now seem even more promiscuous and less attached to single partners than young adults then.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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