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Re: Buddha [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1644968 - 06/19/03 03:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So Rhizoid, do you think that for some people psychedelics can safely be used for a lifetime? I have thought (perhaps mistakenly) that while psychedelics did SO MUCH for me, that after learning what I did from them, I should begin pursuing the means to possess this knowledge through myself and the latent potentials of my own mind, rather than through an external "trigger" such as entheogenic mushrooms. In fact, I seem to remember thinking this while I was tripping as well, which is what convinced me to explore eastern techniques of consciousness raising. I do sometimes feel like there is more for me to learn from the psychedelic experience however, and I expect I will be exploring it again sometime in the future...


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1644972 - 06/19/03 03:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what are you talking about dude

shrooms have definatley "enlightened" me...i feel my eyes have been opened up to the world and i can see the bigger bigger bigger picture, not just "the big picture"



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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: liftedoff420]
    #1645044 - 06/19/03 04:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Do not confuse enlightenment with insight.  Of course psychedelics will help any serious meditator or tripper to develop insight.  You don't need to take a drug to be able to develop a single-point state of mind to analyze any given situation and develope the wisdom to alleviate that given situation.

Enlightenment is a result of effort; not just a switch in your brain that turns on or off.  According to Buddhism we are already in Nirvana.  It's our mind that taints our perceptions of the reality of what we experience.  To be enlightened is not likened to being tripping, it's to be without any mental distortion, without any trappings of Ego.  In my experience I've found that psychedelics can definitely help you gain understanding of consciousness and how your mind is relating to your perceptions...but I never experienced, on psychedelics, the bliss, freedom and insight that my meditational practices bring me.  I'm obviously not enlightened, I still suffer with emotions, attachment and the like...but as far as I'm concerned...the psychedelic experience and meditative states are similar in some egocentric aspects...but they cannot be said to be the same experience.  Someone enlightened/awakened wouldn't sit here whining and bitching that their way is the right/wrong way to enlightenment. 

Whoever was chastizing the quote from HH The Dalai Lama, you missed the entire point.  Mental training and discipline takes years of effort to undo the grasping/ego that our mind developed as we grew from infancy into childhood.  If you think Buddhism is crap, that's fine.  But why sit there and chastize one of the world's most respected leaders and heros of peace?  What did he do to you?  Did you have a bad trip because of his teachings?  :smile:

It's so easy for people to chastize something they themselves have never tried to undertake or experience.  If you're supposedly enlightening yourself with each dose...why so much hatred and anger towards another viewpoint?  Ask yourself that next time you take your dose.

Love & Light,

Boppity


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Re: Buddha [Re: sunyata]
    #1645096 - 06/19/03 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So Rhizoid, do you think that for some people psychedelics can safely be used for a lifetime? I have thought (perhaps mistakenly) that while psychedelics did SO MUCH for me, that after learning what I did from them, I should begin pursuing the means to possess this knowledge through myself and the latent potentials of my own mind, rather than through an external "trigger" such as entheogenic mushrooms.




Yes, I do believe that psychedelics can be safely used for a lifetime.
There is evidence for this, just look at Maria Sabina for example.

I also believe that in order to make progress you should make every effort possible to embrace those "drug insights" (the good ones, not the fucked-up crazy stuff, you know what I mean) in your everyday life. The mushroom is just an acceleration device for the soul. Use it and re-use it as much as you find necessary, but don't use it as a crutch because it's just an amplifier, it won't do anything without input.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1645225 - 06/19/03 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Rhizoid said:
Perhaps Meher Baba didn't know anything about LSD, but felt threatened by it because his services as Savior of the Universe might not be needed if "God in a pill" was actually available?





who knows? supposedly he was one with god and knows all. but im not one to say either way....i just read his books because there interesting and about the deepest shit ive ever read. Makes you sit there and just think about shit for hours at a time. I love anything metaphysical.......im addicted


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Vulture]
    #1645276 - 06/19/03 05:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just want to say this thread kicks ass.  Very interesting and inspiring words. Keep it up :smile:


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