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OfflineScarfmeister
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If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug...
    #1634548 - 06/15/03 05:24 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Then your pretty fucking far from being enlightened. If hear anyone else say that after their last trip they sensed that they where on the verge of breaking through I'm gonna puke.

Listen, you where high, stoned, fucked up and the only thing you where on the verge of reaching was your toilet.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1634551 - 06/15/03 05:26 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

BLASPHEMER!
How dare you speak such words about the sacrament?!!

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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1634557 - 06/15/03 05:34 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

It happens. It hasn't happened to you.

Get over it.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1634566 - 06/15/03 05:54 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

First of all, it depends on what you consider a drug.
I think mushrooms, herb, and cacti grow on earth for a reason.
You can find enlightenment in anything that you feel has made a positive
change in your life.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1634595 - 06/15/03 06:56 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

What counts as finding it in a drug? I have "broken through" twice, and on both occasions psilocybin was an obvious catalyst. But I have also tripped dozens of times on shrooms and a hundred times on LSD without having this experience. So it's not something I expect to find just by taking the drug.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1634602 - 06/15/03 07:05 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

you cant see what your not looking for...


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: ]
    #1634636 - 06/15/03 08:20 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Well I don't know much about this "enlightenment" deal, but I definately have 'broken through' some sharp rusty mental shackles thanks to the hallucinogen.

And I believe people do it all the time. That is to say the drug provides them a positive change, stirs the waters a little, gets things flowing again. I DO NOT think that is just a figment of imagination from a state of intoxication. It is a real change you witness in all aspects of your life.

I guess I've just been "fucked up" for years now, because I've been more happier and had a much stronger awareness and respect for who I am ever since I dropped acid.

I guess I'm just perma-trippin' ....


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Grav]
    #1634769 - 06/15/03 11:14 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you Shroomnoob. How many times have I seen people on here talking about how "They've transcended their ego" thanks to magic mushrooms and how they've "Achieved Inner Peace" thanks to LSD or Extacy or whatever the fuck they're dropping.. It makes me want to hang myself to think that some of the spiritual people I conside with are addicted to these substances thinking that these are what make them achieve these mindstates.

I haven't done Psychedelics in over 6 months, and live a fairly healthy life tinted slightly by regular pot usage - when I do mushrooms, yeah - it's trippy - I see colors - I feel things I don't normally feel - and I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that I believe Mushrooms are a gateway to another form of conciousnious - whatever it may be, but I don't actively seek these drugs to achieve these states because I've found you don't need drugs to achieve these states.

The brain is a complicated piece of macheinery - some run on Diesel, some run on Premium, but they all take you where you want to go. With healthy maintanance, you'll get the milage you're supposed to. Don't burn yourself out. It's only cool those who haven't experienced.


*note* I apologize for any spelling errors - I just got off a ten hour shift.



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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: nubious]
    #1634838 - 06/15/03 12:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Someone should define enlightenment, cause these discussions are pretty silly. One guy says somewhere that he achieved what he calls an "enlightened" state on mushrooms, other people who don't use that word or don't use mushrooms deny that he did. They declare that anyone who uses drugs for "enlightenment" (by their definition) is misled, and then they go on claiming that they achieve mushroom states without the use of drugs and say so in a way that puts psychonauts beneath them. Basically everybody's confused and because the thread is started as a kind of attack on mushroom users then everybody gets irritated and tries to jump into the debate, but nobody knows what anybody else is really saying blah blah blah blah keep it up boys


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Dogomush]
    #1634846 - 06/15/03 12:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

sez you pussykat.

I like these kinds of debates.
people don't debate people.
people debate their own preconceived notions.

that's why this place is so.. um.. enlightened!


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Dogomush]
    #1634859 - 06/15/03 12:34 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I wish those who have reached these enlightened states without using drugs could explain how they did it. This information would be useful, because it's not always practical to have a mushroom trip every time you want to be enlightened. I know, there are published techniques, but it would still be interesting to know which ones were used, in order to compare their relative merits.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Dogomush]
    #1634867 - 06/15/03 12:41 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

in this case, the word "enlightenment" might as well have been picked out of a hat full of other words that portray feelings of calm and contentment, that all is right with the world.
i think what people mean when they say that is that they really feel like they've made some sort of positive change in their mind set as a result of the trip.
in other words..
THEY'RE HAPPY (for the time being)

some people hate it when that happens to someone else.

being honestly happy is a marvelous occurence if you're alive and invest a modicum of attention and emotion into what's going on in the world these days. so rare is the experience of sheer bliss, whether as the result of a simple chain of thoughts, or merely looking at something, that we sometimes don't recognize it as such and instead say we've "transcended the ego" or "been enlightened".

$0.02


Edited by Clean (06/15/03 12:44 PM)


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Clean]
    #1634890 - 06/15/03 12:55 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't happy at all the first time it happened to me, I actually felt kind of gloomy, or neutral at best. The happy feelings came along later.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: ]
    #1634946 - 06/15/03 01:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

you cant see what your not looking for...

I wasn't looking to get robbed at gunpoint last year, but I certainly witnessed it anyway. You r-e-a-l-l-y don't want me to propose yet another Swami Challenge, do you?

I just luv meaningless New Age sound bites.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Rhizoid]
    #1634954 - 06/15/03 01:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

The happy feelings came along later.

Many people are "happy" when a bad trip ends.



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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Swami]
    #1635026 - 06/15/03 02:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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It's you.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Swami]
    #1635036 - 06/15/03 02:27 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Many people are "happy" when a bad trip ends.




But this wasn't a bad trip, it was just my general mood or maybe the unfamiliarity of the experience that affected my feelings, or the feelings of my human host as I perceived them at the time. The happy feelings came when I remembered that there was love in my life, and I realized that love is the feature that makes transcendent consciousness possible.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: nubious]
    #1635043 - 06/15/03 02:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

nubious, I agree with you to a point. The brain IS a complicated piece of machinery, and some do run on diesel, premium, or whatever, and they all CAN take you where you want to go. However, I think the most important part of what you said was: "With healthy maintenance." What exactly is that?

Some people can achieve an inner calm with meditation. Others need a bit of a catalyst to nudge them in the right direction. For some psychedelics can be an important part of healthy maintenance. Others use martial arts, or prayer, or fishing for christ's sake. What's important is that they get that same mileage, not how they got there.

I'm a bit surprised that you think that stating: "Mushrooms are a gateway to another form of consciousness" is going out on a limb. Perhaps you were going in a different direction with "form of consciousness" than the way I interpreted it, but I'd think it's fairly obvious that one's conscious self is operating quite differently from the norm when using mushrooms. It is through this change of consciousness that one can better understand their "normal" consciousness, just as in high school algebra one needs a few equations to solve for multiple variables. Now, of course, this is not to say that psychedelics are the only means of achieving this. Lord, no. Just another path to a common goal.

As far as how this relates to spirituality, it is rather evident that a common attribute of enlightened ones in all religions/spiritual practices is wisdom, the foundation of which is understanding one's self. By understanding one's own consciousness, they can understand others', and guide them on their own paths towards the same end. Is this understanding not the essence of enlightenment?


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #1635112 - 06/15/03 03:09 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... Then your pretty fucking far from being enlightened."

I think "in a drug..." could be removed from your claim and it would still apply.

If you think you will find enlightenment then you're pretty fucking far from being enlightened.


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Re: If you think you will find enlightenment in a drug... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1635130 - 06/15/03 03:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Yep...

Remember this?:
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Enlightenment...
is not a commodity.
is not a place.
is not even a noun.

It is therefore not attainable and you can never get "there".
If you think it is something that you can put on your cosmic resume, you have it all wrong.
If you think there is only one path, you have it all wrong.
If you give a shit about whether or not one is enlightened, you have it all wrong.

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