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 Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment.  [Re: tekramrepus]
#2156687 - 12/03/03 08:51 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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understanding enlightenment? is it something to be understood?
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Positronius
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: entiformatie]
#2156776 - 12/03/03 09:22 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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only if you dont understand it
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jiva
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: tekramrepus]
#2157858 - 12/04/03 10:22 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like all we have to do is remove the ego/fear/control barrier, as state which I call "Satori" and which anyone can experience briefly on high doses of many things, but its always fleeting...
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supermarket said:
Tantra - TRUE tantra, not the sexual kind
Yoga - TRUE yoga, not the yoga focused on stretching
Meditation - TRUE meditation, not the meditation focused on spirituality or clearing a headache
Sexual Tantra is a part of the whole Tantra (but only after you become a viira)
Assuming positions is a part of the whole Yoga (Asana)
And focusing on anything is a part of the whole Meditation (which is part of the whole Yoga (Dharana))
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: tekramrepus]
#2159086 - 12/04/03 06:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think Enlightenment is anything like Self Actualization? Or are they both on different levels?
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jiva
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: annielicious]
#2159176 - 12/04/03 06:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would say "Self Actualization" is part of enlightment which is more like "Universal Actualization"
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: Great Scott]
#2159246 - 12/04/03 07:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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supermarket, i think you wrote this thread to yourself. the very fact that you think you can explain enlightenment in a few lines, written on an internet message board is proof you dont understand it any better than the rest of us.
suess had the right idea:
"Anybody that claims to be Enlightened, isn't."
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: strangebrew]
#2159277 - 12/04/03 07:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know if there is a difference between "Enlightmentment" and "Satori" or if "Enlightenment" is perhaps a case to case thing. But I agree that someone who is "Enlightened" would have no desire to communiate such, nor would they have to, it would (i assume) be obvious. But if one were achieve and enlightened state or satori and then come down from the experience, it is viable that they could and would brag about it to their ego's content.
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: jiva]
#2159637 - 12/04/03 09:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you consider that "proof", I think it is acceptable to say you base your evidence on weak facts, and therefore reach unscientific conclusions.
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: tekramrepus]
#2159643 - 12/04/03 09:18 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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enlightment is ego attached bullshit to me.
just my .02
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: ]
#2159655 - 12/04/03 09:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm not in the business of proof, i'm in the business of consciousness and spirituality ^_^ if you can relate to satori with me, perhaps we can communicate.
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: jiva]
#2159659 - 12/04/03 09:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you dont need proof you may as well be a christian, in my book.
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kaiowas
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: ]
#2159769 - 12/04/03 10:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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"If you consider that "proof", I think it is acceptable to say you base your evidence on weak facts, and therefore reach unscientific conclusions. "
your conclusion were just as unscientific as any.
neat concepts to think about non of the less though
"if you dont need proof you may as well be a christian, in my book"
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: kaiowas]
#2160321 - 12/05/03 01:24 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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>> enlightment is ego attached bullshit to me.
Unfortunately your view is not unfounded. It is natural for the ego to be attracted to a misrepresented mind of enlightenment. The ego is perpetually searching for nourishment. What an inexhaustible font of egoism enlightenment would be if adopted in a skewed and delusional manner!
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: Ped]
#2160398 - 12/05/03 01:52 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think mabe enlightenment is only a state of awareness we have when we, through love and understanding and conquest of desires see the truth in situations. when you put youre emotional filters and conditioning from past experiences aside.
And there is a lot more to it than that and in our society some times you need drugs to break from the norm and open youre mind to these sort of things.
P.S. I dont profess to have reached this state but am interested.
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[quote]There are billions of people on this planet. The world does not revolve around the united states, moron. I hope terrorists crash their collective cocks into your asshole. [/quote]
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: trev]
#2160427 - 12/05/03 02:05 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats what i relate satori with.
ego suppresion.
stoic transcendence.
no pre-conception (mindfulness).
Just "being" as "oneness".
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Re: To all those who don't understand enlightenment. [Re: jiva]
#2160829 - 12/05/03 08:47 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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damn there's hella good replies here. so many definitions, each unique, most connect to each other through focusing on the experience at hand. i don't think words will ever describe it, nor do I think it can be explained. however, we are having fun getting there though and that's the real point. 
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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.
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