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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Icelander]
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Not to mention 150 just died in an explosion in Iraq today. I seriously doubt that 105 trillion number though. 105 billion maybe- although probably more- but absolutely, 100% not 105 trillion. At most, barely over a trillion.


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Edited by BrainChemicals (04/18/07 01:20 PM)

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: BrainChemicals]
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I seriously doubt that 105 trillion number

How Many People Have Ever Lived on Earth?

by Carl Haub, Chair of Population Information at the Population Reference Bureau

"How Many People Have Ever Lived on Earth?" is the most requested Population Today article. It first appeared in February 1995.

(Population Today, November/December 2002) The question of how many people have ever lived on Earth is a perennial one among information calls to PRB. One reason the question keeps coming up is that somewhere, at some time back in the 1970s, a now-forgotten writer made the statement that 75 percent of the people who had ever been born were alive at that moment.

This factoid has had a long shelf life, even though a bit of reflection would show how unlikely it is. For this "estimate" to be true would mean either that births in the 20th century far, far outnumbered those in the past or that there were an extraordinary number of extremely old people living in the 1970s.

If this estimate were true, it would indeed make an impressive case for the rapid pace of population growth in this century. But if we judge the idea that three-fourths of people who ever lived are alive today to be a ridiculous statement, have demographers come up with a better estimate? What might be a reasonable estimate of the actual percentage?

Any such exercise can be only a highly speculative enterprise, to be undertaken with far less seriousness than most demographic inquiries. Nonetheless, it is a somewhat intriguing idea that can be approached on at least a semi-scientific basis.

And semi-scientific it must be, because there are, of course, absolutely no demographic data available for 99 percent of the span of the human stay on Earth. Still, with some speculation concerning prehistoric populations, we can at least approach a guesstimate of this elusive number.
Prehistory and History

Any estimate of the total number of people who have ever been born will depend basically on two factors: (1) the length of time humans are thought to have been on Earth and (2) the average size of the human population at different periods.

Fixing a time when the human race actually came into existence is not a straightforward matter. Various ancestors of Homo sapiens seem to have appeared at least as early as 700,000 B.C. Hominids walked the Earth as early as several million years ago. According to the United Nations' Determinants and Consequences of Population Trends, modern Homo sapiens may have appeared about 50,000 B.C. This long period of 50,000 years holds the key to the question of how many people have ever been born.

At the dawn of agriculture, about 8000 B.C., the population of the world was somewhere on the order of 5 million. (Very rough figures are given in the table; these are averages of an estimate of ranges given by the United Nations and other sources.) The slow growth of population over the 8,000-year period, from an estimated 5 million to 300 million in 1 A.D., results in a very low growth rate — only 0.0512 percent per year. It is difficult to come up with an average world population size over this period. In all likelihood, human populations in different regions grew or declined in response to famines, the vagaries of animal herds, hostilities, and changing weather and climatic conditions.

In any case, life was short. Life expectancy at birth probably averaged only about 10 years for most of human history. Estimates of average life expectancy in Iron Age France have been put at only 10 or 12 years. Under these conditions, the birth rate would have to be about 80 per 1,000 people just for the species to survive. Today, a high birth rate would be about 45 to 50 per 1,000 population, observed in only a few countries of Africa and in several Middle Eastern states that have young populations.

Our birth rate assumption will greatly affect the estimate of the number of people ever born. Infant mortality in the human race's earliest days is thought to have been very high — perhaps 500 infant deaths per 1,000 births, or even higher. Children were probably an economic liability among hunter-gatherer societies, a fact that is likely to have led to the practice of infanticide. Under these circumstances, a disproportionately large number of births would be required to maintain population growth, and that would raise our estimated number of the "ever born."

By 1 A.D., the world may have held about 300 million people. One estimate of the population of the Roman Empire, from Spain to Asia Minor, in 14 A.D., is 45 million. However, other historians set the figure twice as high, suggesting how imprecise population estimates of early historical periods can be.

By 1650, world population rose to about 500 million, not a large increase over the 1 A.D. estimate. The average annual rate of growth was actually lower from 1 A.D. to 1650 than the rate suggested above for the 8000 B.C. to 1 A.D. period. One reason for this abnormally slow growth was the Black Death. This dreaded scourge was not limited to 14th-century Europe. The epidemic may have begun about 542 A.D. in western Asia, spreading from there. It is believed that half the Byzantine Empire was destroyed in the sixth century, a total of 100 million deaths. Such large fluctuations in population size over long periods greatly compound the difficulty of estimating the number of people who have ever lived.

By 1800, however, world population had passed the 1 billion mark, and it has continued to grow since then to the current 6 billion.
Guesstimates

Guesstimating the number of people ever born, then, requires selecting population sizes for different points from antiquity to the present and applying assumed birth rates to each period (see table). We start at the very, very beginning — with just two people (a minimalist approach!).

How Many People Have Ever Lived On Earth?

Code:

Year Population Births Births Between
per 1,000 Benchmarks
-50,000 2 - -
-8000 5,000,000 80 1,137,789,769
1 A.D. 300,000,000 80 46,025,332,354
1200 450,000,000 60 26,591,343,000
1650 500,000,000 60 12,782,002,453
1750 795,000,000 50 3,171,931,513
1850 1,265,000,000 40 4,046,240,009
1900 1,656,000,000 40 2,900,237,856
1950 2,516,000,000 31-38 3,390,198,215
1995 5,760,000,000 31 5,427,305,000
2002 6,215,000,000 23 983,987,500



Add up the Births Between Benchmarks colum and you get:

Number who have ever been born: 106,456,367,669


World population in mid-2002: 6,215,000,000
Percent of those ever born who are living in 2002: 5.8

Source: Population Reference Bureau estimates.

prb.org


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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That is 106 billion, much more in line with what I thought.

106 trillion would be 106,000,000,000,000 - number that is just way, way, way too large considering only 6 BILLION people are on Earth right now, the largest ever, and that is not even one percent of one percent of that number.

It is still a TON of people though. Because so many people have billions of dollars, the largeness of the number billion is often not felt by us as much as it should be.


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Edited by BrainChemicals (04/18/07 02:23 PM)

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: BrainChemicals]
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That is 106 billion, much more in line with what I thought.

Dam bifocals. :tongue:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
One reason the question keeps coming up is that somewhere, at some time back in the 1970s, a now-forgotten writer made the statement that 75 percent of the people who had ever been born were alive at that moment.



:lol:

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Diploid]
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Factor in all the sperm that have died and the number is much, much higher!


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
If we did not have news programs hyping this event as "the worst tragedy since _________," and hourly updates on every single detail of the shooting, it would not be perceived as a big deal.

In fact, no one who wasn't local to the event itself or related to perpetrator or victim would be likely to hear about it.

IMO, it is just more worthless drama, more toxic stress, to distract us from the truly meaningful events going on around us and within
us.  Bread and circus, anyone?  :tongue:




Only thing on the "news" if thats what they wish to call it, is deaths, who dies, who got murdered, who got robbed. Why even watch any of that completely useless bullshit. I'm not going to read what happen and i don't care. It happened, and couldn't have happened any other way, I feel for the people that lost their friends and family of course. But reading shit like this puts a damper on very beautiful day of life.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Factor in all the sperm that have died and the number is much, much higher!





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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Silversoul]
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w t f...


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Silversoul]
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well we can leave it to diploid and his spiritual understanding to decide for us was has value

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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: moon_glue]
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as a person living outside the U.S. i have to say it's a bit strange seeing all this. imo U.S. has bombed the shit out of so many small countries and done unspeakable crimes against humanity (as have all countries, but currently the U.S. is trying to cover it up with false righteousness & religious justifications). and when in that society some guy goes "pop" in his head and randomly shoots anyone on his path then i just see an ironic similarity with the U.S. foreign politics.

of course is hard on those who lost someone in the shootings but the harder the grief is the more further are they from reality. when guns are available to any yahoo and the society there is pretty messed up then what do you expect?


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Thats america bitch.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? *DELETED* [Re: Diploid]
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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? *DELETED* [Re: jewunit]
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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Lakefingers]
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I don't feel we should talk about or dwell on these things.

To be a bystander in a community may be one thing. To be passive spectator is quite another. You are divorced from any and all responsibility, yet you are compelled to subject yourself to massive amounts of negative energy, which you then carry with you into your environment. Gossip starts. People suddenly take the inkblot that is a school university and color it paranoid, when if they simply would have chosen to not dwell on such topics would be completely relaxed and calm and without a care.

My friend said that he has never witnessed any trauma in his life aside from television, and that he bets if he had never watched it, he would view reality as a paradise right now.

Media = paranoia
paranoia = more problems
more problems = more media


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
jewunit said:
Of those quarter million people who die, how many die tragically?



Please; death is death. The circumstances that bring it are regardless. So it was tragic - so what? Its death. Tragedy sucks but it isn't as though who died tragically deserve special mention, although obviously some people think it does. The specific circumstances of their death are note-worthy apparently, but it has less to do with the fact that it is death but the unusual event itself.

Also, tragedy is relative to comedy. :grin:



There's something about this post that makes me sad. Although you kind of redeemed it with the "tragedy is relative to comedy" comment.

(edit) In fact it didnt redeem it. I find your post extremely cold, like it is missing something about life. Death is not just death; life is sacred and it is all we have. There is all the difference in the world between a dignified, graceful death and a tragic death. A tragic death speaks volumes about our reality and the innert sadness of the human condition.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Bridgeburner]
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In the United States we have fear shoved in our faces 24 / 7 on the news every day. Violence as a culture is a stress reaction to this process which is designed to feed huge corporations lots of cash. We don't just report the news once...we have to feed it with more and more of our attention until it assumes a life of it's own within us. The presence of this thread testifies to this.


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Re: 33 Dead: Big Deal?? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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:thumbup:

The other night I was out driving and the rock stations were both on commercials, so I switched to an oldies station. My girlfriend likes to listen to them, and I appreciate it for what it is, so I was enjoying it. They reported some news on a break, but it was so different than the manner in which the news is presented on the television. It was nothing but facts and headlines - information pertaining to the event, leaving it for oneself to conclude what it means.

The news media on television and the Internet don't just cover the specific information regarding the event - its not just the who's, what's, when's, where's, why's, and how's, but it covers anything that in some way relates to it. They cover people's reactions to the events, they cover what people are doing how people respond to knowing about it, they cover anything and everything.

Now, I realize that this allows one to learn not only about the event, but much about the rest of the world as it pertains to the event, but the process sort of blows the original event out of proportion.  :drool2:


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Like being here
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